America under President Trump

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

And many of those states that brought Trump to power do a great deal of trade with Canada. 

I actually agree with the Dairy farmer thing. Supply Management is socialism and it keeps our price of dairy uncompetitively high. Is the US willing to kill rust belt jobs with a Steel Tarrif to try and force Canada to ruin its dairy farmer industry? I'm not sure. 

I new a number of dairy farmers in northwest BC.  They have a quota system where you have to buy a quota to get into the business.  Quotas are expensive.  Land is expensive.  Equipment is expensive.  Buildings are expensive.   People have to make a living wage.   I think the present marketing system protects farmers from being gouged.  They get a predictable price for the milk.  They don't look overly rich.  Just normal incomes that they need to support their families.  I would oppose any change which would do great harm to the system and drive some out of business.  I don't know where the milk in the supermarkets actually comes from, but we need to support our dairy farmers.

Also, it's difficult to compare running a dairy farm in Canada with running one in the U.S.  There are probably many different variables.  Some of land in Canada is very expensive as for example in the Fraser Valley near Vancouver.  Lower mainland real estate is out of sight.  That has to be figured in to the equation as well.  Land in some U.S. states might be much less expensive.  We can't compete on the same basis.

Edited March 9, 2018 by blackbird

[blackbird]

15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But Canada will continue to worry about this and many other aspects of Trump's agenda for trade, NAFTA, "reciprocal taxes", etc.   Protectionism for dairy (300% tariffs on the U.S.) will come under pressure.    Crying by Trudeau and Freeland only goes so far, and it is election season for the U.S. and Mexico, when "nationalism" is peaked.

75% of Canadian exports go to a single nation...the United States....always something for some Canadians to worry about.

No use worrying about it.  There will always be something going on that one could "worry" about.  Doesn't help.  Just carry on with life and whatever happens with the trade deals will happen.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No use worrying about it.  There will always be something going on that one could "worry" about.  Doesn't help.  Just carry on with life and whatever happens with the trade deals will happen.

 

I agree...but Canadian news media has dedicated far more bandwidth to trade worries than in the U.S., and it started when Canada realized that Donald Trump could actually become U.S. president.    Canadian political parties often attacked NAFTA at election time, but Trump was actually going to do something about it.   Scary !

[bush_cheney2004]

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

....Also, it's difficult to compare running a dairy farm in Canada with running one in the U.S.  There are probably many different variables.  Some of land in Canada is very expensive as for example in the Fraser Valley near Vancouver.  Lower mainland real estate is out of sight.  That has to be figured in to the equation as well.  Land in some U.S. states might be much less expensive.  We can't compete on the same basis.

 

.....and softwood lumber stumpage fees are much lower in Canada, so it is not one sided.    Also, other nations besides the U.S. have confronted Canada over its protectionist dairy import tariffs and barriers.

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I agree...but Canadian news media has dedicated far more bandwidth to trade worries than in the U.S., and it started when Canada realized that Donald Trump could actually become U.S. president.    Canadian political parties often attacked NAFTA at election time, but Trump was actually going to do something about it.   Scary !

Right!   I see on the bottom of the page "Make America Great" hats are advertised.  I wonder if I bought one if I would be safe wearing it in Canada or would it be hazardous.

[?Impact]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

.....and softwood lumber stumpage fees are much lower in Canada, so it is not one sided.    Also, other nations besides the U.S. have confronted Canada over its protectionist dairy import tariffs and barriers.

The US corn farmers receive massive government subsidies, and they are the largest farm crop of all for the US. Countries need to start putting large tariffs on all corn and corn products including manufactured junk like soft drinks. Then were will be farmer loving Trump? One thing is true however, the rest of the world will become much healthier overnight, and health care costs will drop dramatically.

b.t.w. you always talk about the 75% exports to the US from Canada, well Canada is also the largest US export market and Mexico is second. All others pale in comparison to these two at 35.5% combined. You have massive trade deficit with China, not your North American partners.

1. Canada - 18.1%
2. Mexico - 17.4%
3. China - 7.8%
4. Japan - 4.5%
5. United Kingdom - 3.8%

 

[bush_cheney2004]

12 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

The US corn farmers receive massive government subsidies, and they are the largest farm crop of all for the US. Countries need to start putting large tariffs on all corn and corn products including manufactured junk like soft drinks. Then were will be farmer loving Trump? One thing is true however, the rest of the world will become much healthier overnight, and health care costs will drop dramatically.

 

Fine by me, but there is nothing special about Canada, which already imposes Yuuuuge tariffs on U.S. imports (300% +).

 

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b.t.w. you always talk about the 75% exports to the US from Canada, well Canada is also the largest US export market and Mexico is second. All others pale in comparison to these two at 35.5% combined. You have massive trade deficit with China, not your North American partners.

1. Canada - 18.1%
2. Mexico - 17.4%
3. China - 7.8%
4. Japan - 4.5%
5. United Kingdom - 3.8%

 

Yep, the U.S. is far more diversified for export markets and far less dependent on one nation compared to Canada.  Also, U.S. GDP is far less dependent on export trade compared to Canada.

It is little wonder why Canada panics when Trump says "Boo !" on trade.

Edited March 9, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[?Impact]

25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Fine by me, but there is nothing special about Canada, which already imposes Yuuuuge tariffs on U.S. imports (300% +).

Most US goods come into Canada without any tariff. Yes, we know about supply side management in dairy but other than that can you provide examples.

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On 3/8/2018 at 12:38 AM, OftenWrong said:

Seems like Trump's tough talk is exactly the kind of language little boy Kim understands.

Experts say Trump's tough rhetoric and sanctions have brought North Korea to the negotiating table - MSN.com

I think the US needs to finish other projects before they engage North Korea.   I mean the job in Syria is not done yet.

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

.....and softwood lumber stumpage fees are much lower in Canada, so it is not one sided.    Also, other nations besides the U.S. have confronted Canada over its protectionist dairy import tariffs and barriers.

Yes because the forests are crown land.  I think the timber companies get permits to cut on certain crown land and then pay the government a stumpage fee which is so much per cubic meter.  All the land in the U.S. is privately owned which makes it difficult to compare the two operations.  But it is a fact that some countries have an abundance of lower cost natural resources that other countries don't.  Other countries might have other types of resources.  Not all countries have the same natural resources.  Each country can sell their natural resources for whatever they can get and what the world market will sustain.  Nobody has to give them away for below their value. 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Most US goods come into Canada without any tariff. Yes, we know about supply side management in dairy but other than that can you provide examples.

 

Other examples...easily found...like poultry.

https://www.export.gov/article?id=Canada-Import-Tariffs

[blackbird]

Canada has an abundance of certain natural resources which we sell on the world market.  Those resources actually belong to Canada.  If another country wishes to buy them and put a tariff on them, that's fine.  The tariff should be added to the price and if the foreign buyers still want to buy it, fine.  It's all fine.  The consumers in the buying country end up paying for the added tariffs.  It creates an artificial high price in order to encourage or force the consumers in the U.S. to buy U.S.  natural resources or products.  There is no net benefit because the U.S. consumer is the one subsidizing some local industries, but negatively effecting other U.S. industries.  It's a kind of consumer paid for make work project.

Edited March 10, 2018 by blackbird

[bush_cheney2004]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

Canada has an abundance of certain natural resources which we sell on the world market.  Those resources actually belong to Canada. 

 

True, but that also means that Canada has an abundance of dependency on exports, and today that dependency is largely for exports to a single nation, the United States.

The dependency is so strong, it also includes foreign investment capital, the majority of which has also come from the United States.

Trudeau knows this strong economic dependency exists...and so does Trump.

[?Impact]

Yes, Canada needs to diversify its markets. We need to kick out American companies who do not manufacture in Canada for export to other markets for they are only parasites.

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Yes, Canada needs to diversify its markets. We need to kick out American companies who do not manufacture in Canada for export to other markets for they are only parasites.

 

That's where the dependency continues...Canada gets the "value add" by exporting to the United States for sale to the world, while importing back into Canada.

Also, there is no flag on my local golden arches restaurant, one of President Trump's favourites.

[kactus]

And there’s yet more evidence lawmaker’s are seeking to question businessmen in Muller probe....

http://www.wboy.com/news/extrump-campaign-manager-lewandowski-faces-russia-interview/1021136130

What does it take to realise that as a president you don’t exercise your power for personal gains. That’s conflict of interest. Clearly brown nosing to Putin to save his pathetic failed business has exposed him big time.

Frankly to me what a minority group of people in US frankly see in him beggars belief. The americans I have spoken to have already emigrated elsewhere as they can’t stand the man and what he is doing to their country...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/donald-trumps-2020-campaign-manager-just-failed-miserably?utm_term=.noW4ZXMXA2#.gt7OREZEWw

Just loving the sensations that he is creating. Looks like things don’t look too good for his 2020 campaign manager in the state of Texas where he typically has a stronghold. Bring on popcorns!

.....Bye bye Trump....

[bush_cheney2004]

Despite claims to the contrary by the Trump haters, President Trump has not started a war yet, unlike Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.

...and Trump has plans to meet with the DPRK to try and fix the nuclear weapons mess that all those previous presidents left him to clean up.

So much work to do by a "real estate con-man" from Queens, NY ...so little time.

[?Impact]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Despite claims to the contrary by the Trump haters, President Trump has not started a war yet, unlike Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.

Don't forget Reagan (Libya, Grenada). Perhaps the better question to ask is which American Presidents didn't end up starting a war.

[bush_cheney2004]

27 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Don't forget Reagan (Libya, Grenada). Perhaps the better question to ask is which American Presidents didn't end up starting a war.

 

Must be because President Trump has a much better "temperament".

[?Impact]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Must be because President Trump has a much better "temperament".

You would need to use a level playing field for that. What Presidents started a war in their first year in office?

[bush_cheney2004]

42 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

You would need to use a level playing field for that. What Presidents started a war in their first year in office?

 

You would have to define "war" first....the invasion of Grenada (Reagan) wasn't much of a war.

[?Impact]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

You would have to define "war" first....the invasion of Grenada (Reagan) wasn't much of a war.

What do you think about supporting Panama succession from Columbia? Wasn't that just a warship or two in the harbour?

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

What do you think about supporting Panama succession from Columbia? Wasn't that just a warship or two in the harbour?

 

Again...not a war.   Invasion of Panama in 1989 for Noriega was more so.

President Trump has done none of these things...yet.

[?Impact]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Again...not a war.

Displaying your military might for commercial gain is damn close to a war. True we don't know what would have happened if Columbia didn't blink, but I think it qualifies as an act of war for sure.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Displaying your military might for commercial gain is damn close to a war. True we don't know what would have happened if Columbia didn't blink, but I think it qualifies as an act of war for sure.

 

No more than Canada backing U.S. policies around the world.   Most Canadians would not accept their role as such being "acts of war".

Trump's cruise missile attack on Syria was an "act of war", but it did not start a war.

The last U.S. president to engage in a new war was Barack Obama (Libya - 2011)...the same guy who said Trump would never be president.