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Political correctness is when "special interest groups" get to make whatever claims they want, real or imagined, about the "majority" but it is considered horribly inappropriate to point out the obvious flaws or double standards in their agendas.

You mean like pointing out to the Black Lives Matter crowd that if Black people didn't fight with or run from police, not to mention commit so many crimes, they wouldn't have a problem with cops shooting them?

Or pointing out to the Idle No More bunch that most of their problems are self-inflicted from their own corrupt tribal governments, and that maybe it's time they end their idleness by getting a job and paying taxes like the rest of us?

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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You mean like pointing out to the Black Lives Matter crowd that if Black people didn't fight with or run from police, not to mention commit so many crimes, they wouldn't have a problem with cops shooting them?

because running from police justifies shooting black people in the back, right? That Walter Scott guy was looking pretty threatening running away unarmed for a traffic stop.

Or pointing out to the Idle No More bunch that most of their problems are self-inflicted from their own corrupt tribal governments, and that maybe it's time they end their idleness by getting a job and paying taxes like the rest of us?

While there's probably some underlying truth to that, the situation is far from that simple. Political Correctness often goes way too far and over-reaches, but in general it's just the basic understanding that people shouldn't say whatever stupid and/or ignorant crap they're thinking.

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because running from police justifies shooting black people in the back, right? That Walter Scott guy was looking pretty threatening running away unarmed for a traffic stop.

What part of what I wrote was wrong?

While there's probably some underlying truth to that, the situation is far from that simple. Political Correctness often goes way too far and over-reaches, but in general it's just the basic understanding that people shouldn't say whatever stupid and/or ignorant crap they're thinking.

No, it's the belief people should be forbidden from saying what progressives believe is stupid or ignorant crap, and punished if they do.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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What part of what I wrote was wrong?

Most of it, actually. While there's certainly some logic behind the idea that fighting with police leads to proportionally higher police shootings, simply running away from them is another matter altogether. Regardless, your line of thought here suggests that it's, "Black People's" fault when a police officer shoots or beats them to death without anything even resembling justification - as if these poor white cops are so traumatized by "Black People" that there's no reasonable option other than to shoot... :rolleyes:

No, it's the belief people should be forbidden from saying what progressives believe is stupid or ignorant crap, and punished if they do.

Nobody's forbidding you from saying anything, or punishing you for saying it. Political Correctness/Incorrectness is not the same thing as Legal/Illiegal. Go ahead an natter off as much old-man-style ignorance and scorn as you want. You're not going to get arrested or fined for it. You're just going to look stupid.

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Regardless, your line of thought here suggests that it's, "Black People's" fault when a police officer shoots or beats them to death without anything even resembling justification - as if these poor white cops are so traumatized by "Black People" that there's no reasonable option other than to shoot... :rolleyes:

If you examine police statistics on street crime you find blacks are responsible, despite their numbers, for about half. That's five times the rate of whites. So naturally they are going to be in conflict with the police much more often to begin with. Looking at the spate of shootings involving blacks the almost universal constant is resisting arrest and refusing police orders. I would suggest that if you were worried about being shot by police you not commit crimes and not resist arrest or lawful orders. How complicated is that?

The notion black people are afraid of police is rather wildly contradicted by the repeated behavior towards police of both individual and groups of Blacks in the US and to some extent in Canada, as well. Videos are fairly freely available of crowds of blacks gathering around police making an arrest yelling and screaming abuse at them and trying to interfere with the arrests. We've seen that starting to take hold in Canada as well, in areas with high Black populations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMMoFQin37I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVXyERZWbIg

Nobody's forbidding you from saying anything, or punishing you for saying it. Political Correctness/Incorrectness is not the same thing as Legal/Illiegal.

Only because progressives have not succeeded in making it illegal in Canada yet. But there are any number of progressives who would criminalize any aspect of free speech which offends them, or indeed any opinion which offends them. Witness Suzuki, that paragon of the progressive set, calling for politicians who deny climate change to be jailed. Nor is he alone. Some of the laws in France, for example, would see many of the discussions taking part on this web site made illegal, and I have no doubt many of the 'progressives' on this site would wholeheartedly support that.

Go ahead an natter off as much old-man-style ignorance and scorn as you want. You're not going to get arrested or fined for it. You're just going to look stupid.

And you go ahead and act out your infantile temper tantrums about things you know little or nothing about. I'm sure looking stupid isn't going to bother you since your awareness is so limited and self-directed anyway.

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"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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BLM is becoming a militant group that should be ignored like the white supremists. And nobody is worse then the left when it comes to shouting down people you don't agree with.

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If you examine police statistics on street crime you find blacks are responsible, despite their numbers, for about half. That's five times the rate of whites. So naturally they are going to be in conflict with the police much more often to begin with.

While we're on the topic of demographics, why don't we investigate the effects of poverty and education on crime rates. Of course it's easier to just say "Black People" though, isn't it?

Looking at the spate of shootings involving blacks the almost universal constant is resisting arrest and refusing police orders. I would suggest that if you were worried about being shot by police you not commit crimes and not resist arrest or lawful orders. How complicated is that?

That's why we see so many frat-boy drunks getting shot at keg parties instead of going ot the drunk tank right? I mean, if you're uncooperative with police, you should expect the bullet right?

The notion black people are afraid of police is rather wildly contradicted by the repeated behavior towards police of both individual and groups of Blacks in the US and to some extent in Canada, as well. Videos are fairly freely available of crowds of blacks gathering around police making an arrest yelling and screaming abuse at them and trying to interfere with the arrests. We've seen that starting to take hold in Canada as well, in areas with high Black populations.

Argus your logic is pathetic. This is the sort of banal nattering that gives us every indication we need of your intellectual credibility/capability. What are you trying to suggest here? Are you suggesting that if you're fearful and suspicious of persecution that the natural and most logical reaction is to just meekly roll over and take it? You're obviously a student of history and humanity, aren't you? :blink:

Only because progressives have not succeeded in making it illegal in Canada yet. But there are any number of progressives who would criminalize any aspect of free speech which offends them, or indeed any opinion which offends them.

Right...If we're not careful then free speech is going to get outlawed by some vague group of "progressives"...

Some of the laws in France, for example, would see many of the discussions taking part on this web site made illegal, and I have no doubt many of the 'progressives' on this site would wholeheartedly support that.

/yawn. There are people on this website who'd support deporting all of the Muslims in this country or taking away the vote from poor people. What's your point?

And you go ahead and act out your infantile temper tantrums about things you know little or nothing about. I'm sure looking stupid isn't going to bother you since your awareness is so limited and self-directed anyway.

Tantrum? Okay bud. As for knowing little or nothing about the subject, I'm not the cliché old man bitterly listing off "Black People" crime statistics as justification for unreasonable force and outrageous police shootings. What you're basically saying here is, "Sorry Black Guy, if all the other Black People behaved better, we wouldn't have had to shoot you." That's supremely ignorant, incredibly stupid and flat-out racist all at the same time.

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While we're on the topic of demographics, why don't we investigate the effects of poverty and education on crime rates.

Because that's irrelevant to the issue of black/police interaction.

Of course it's easier to just say "Black People" though, isn't it?

Would you prefer some other name?

Argus your logic is pathetic.

My logic is impeccable. If Blacks have five times more interactions with police because of the amount of crime then there's obviously going to be more violence between them.

And as I said, what virtually all the shootings had in common was Black men committing crimes and refusing to cooperate and resisting arrest.

But I can see that saying that has you in a feverish state of indignation.

This is the sort of banal nattering that gives us every indication we need of your intellectual credibility/capability.

Us? is that the royal us as in the royal we?

What are you trying to suggest here? Are you suggesting that if you're fearful and suspicious of persecution that the natural and most logical reaction is to just meekly roll over and take it?

Take what? I think the natural inclination if you're wary about armed police is not to taunt and scream abuse at them when they're just doing their job.

Tantrum? Okay bud. As for knowing little or nothing about the subject, I'm not the cliché old man bitterly listing

Bitterly? I simply wrote a fact in a kind of offhand way. Apparently facts upset you, for you're definitely frothing today.

You PC types sure do get self righteous whenever anyone speaks truth you can't refute!

What do you term 'old' anyway? Anyone who's mature enough to carry on a discussion without getting emotionally overwrought?

Go play some video games and cool down.

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Because that's irrelevant to the issue of black/police interaction.

Sure is. Your head is deep in the sand if you're suggesting it's not, but nobody ever accused you of being open-minded.

My logic is impeccable. If Blacks have five times more interactions with police because of the amount of crime then there's obviously going to be more violence between them.

And as I said, what virtually all the shootings had in common was Black men committing crimes and refusing to cooperate and resisting arrest.

Your logic is garbage, as usual, and the above quote didn't even respond to my criticism. You just sort of shifted topics there...

Bitterly? I simply wrote a fact in a kind of offhand way.

Right, you just just drolly listed off some snippets for interests' sake and really weren't trying to say anything by it. :rolleyes:

Apparently facts upset you, for you're definitely frothing today.

You PC types sure do get self righteous whenever anyone speaks truth you can't refute!

It's not your data that's in question. It's the narrow scope of these facts and your ignorant and selective interpretation of them.

Take what? I think the natural inclination if you're wary about armed police is not to taunt and scream abuse at them when they're just doing their job.

Sure, if you believe that they're honestly doing their job and don't abuse their power, discriminate or overstep. Sadly we've seen too many examples recently of that not being the case. If you grow up in environment where people naturally don't trust the police and feel they're being unjustly persecuted, resistance should naturally be expected and we have the entire course of human history to support that expectation. Read a book.

What do you term 'old' anyway? Anyone who's mature enough to carry on a discussion without getting emotionally overwrought?

Go play some video games and cool down.

I mean the antiquated and old-school ignorance you're demonstrating - the sort of dumb comments you'd expect from a drunk grandfather.

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Your logic is garbage, as usual, and the above quote didn't even respond to my criticism. You just sort of shifted topics there...

As I pointed out, your attempt to shift the discussion onto the sociological reasons why Blacks commit such a disproportionate amount of crime is beside the point.

Black Lives Matter ought to retitle itself Black Criminal Lives Matter. That would be more accurate, except, let's face it, it doesn't make for a very good chant. And a lot of people don't really give much of a damn about criminals who get hurt while resisting arrest or fighting with police.

Right, you just just drolly listed off some snippets for interests' sake and really weren't trying to say anything by it. :rolleyes:

I simply gave a couple of examples of things which, as per the subject, the politically correct don't want people talking about.

Thanks for showing how right I was.

It's not your data that's in question.

Then why are you still blathering?

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Has political correctness run it's course? Is it time to kiss it goodbye? I am one who has enough of this what I like to call anti-freedom of speech nonsense. Whenever anyone wishes to take on any politically correct program or agenda like massive third world immigration, multiculturalism, gay rights or foreign-aid, those topics are never to be discussed or debated. They are taboo and sacred cow subjects that must not be allowed to be debated out in the open. They are immediately ignored by the controlled corporate media, and shut down by them. I know that there are many Canadians who could careless one way or the other about those programs and agendas that have been foisted on them by a minority of groups who have a special interest in them and getting them legalized. This is wrong. The majority are always forced to accept the rule of the minority, and must live by those rules or face the consequences of challenging them.

Political correctness is nothing but minority rule over the majority. No minority should be allowed to rule and run the majority. And all those programs and agendas that I mentioned above are minority ruled programs and agendas forced on the majority. If the majority had a say in all of those programs and agendas mentioned, and how much it will cost them to implement such things, those mentioned above would not be around. I am pretty sure of that. But the majority must suffer and pay for the rights of the minority to rule over the majority. This is why I believe that PC should go today.

Works for me.

It should've been kicked out the first time it got introduced! It's a violation of our Constitutional Right!

That's the problem with some "law-makers" these days - they just legislate. They don't see far ahead....they don't study/analyze well-enough to see complications and how it will affect everything. Common sense is out!

It's like a pebble thrown in the water, of course there are ripple effects.

We should have a sizeable list of stupid things that stem out from political correctness!

Catering to SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS only makes a mess of things!

Let's face it. That's just what it is: catering to special groups!

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BLM is becoming a militant group that should be ignored like the white supremists. And nobody is worse then the left when it comes to shouting down people you don't agree with.

The left does not have a monopoly on shutting down people.

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The left does not have a monopoly on shutting down people.

They pretty much do. You don't get crowds of right wingers out screaming and cursing when some lefty is going to give a speech or put in an appearance.

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See below for something you will not see the right doing. Lefties on the other hand well.......

"Hey hey, Ho ho, ________" (fill in name of favorite enemy) "has to go"

"Hey hey, Ho ho, ________" (fill in name of favorite enemy) "has to go"

"Hey hey, Ho ho, ________" (fill in name of favorite enemy) "has to go"

"Hey hey, Ho ho, ________" (fill in name of favorite enemy) "has to go"

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They pretty much do. You don't get crowds of right wingers out screaming and cursing when some lefty is going to give a speech or put in an appearance.

I see people like you on the Right constantly attempting to shut down people.

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I see people like you on the Right constantly attempting to shut down people.

How have I done that? I wouldn't dream of going to a speech given by someone in the NDP or Liberals to shout and yell and whistle so they couldn't talk. Nor would I ever think of doing the same if some Hamas guy or a Communist or the king of Saudi Arabia came to town.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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While we're on the topic of demographics, why don't we investigate the effects of poverty and education on crime rates. Of course it's easier to just say "Black People" though, isn't it?

When you're talking about the "Black Lives Matter" group it's probably sorta on topic to talk about black people don't you think moonbeam? It's kind of hard to avoid, like talking about milk without saying homo, skimmed, 1% or 2%.

Furthermore, the BLM people don't give a crap about white people killed by police. You're actually off on a tangent bringing up people of other ethnicities.

That's why we see so many frat-boy drunks getting shot at keg parties instead of going ot the drunk tank right? I mean, if you're uncooperative with police, you should expect the bullet right?

Moonbox are you saying that black men don't go to frat parties? That seems pretty racist to me.

Anyhoo... If you're trying to suggest that "uncooperative" means the exact same thing in every situation, and that it's always at the exact same level of civil disobedience, then you're quite wrong. For example "hostility and violence" are not the same as "drunk and disorderly" although you are correct to say that they both fit somewhat loosely under the umbrella of "uncooperative" with police.

Argus your logic is pathetic. This is the sort of banal nattering that gives us every indication we need of your intellectual credibility/capability. What are you trying to suggest here? Are you suggesting that if you're fearful and suspicious of persecution that the natural and most logical reaction is to just meekly roll over and take it? You're obviously a student of history and humanity, aren't you? :blink:

No comment necessary lol.

Right...If we're not careful then free speech is going to get outlawed by some vague group of "progressives"...

Not at all. The "progressives" are just tough to pin down to serious conversation. They like to bring straw men and skewed logic into every debate to cry "racism" and the like. EG, when a person says that "uncooperatives" get shot by police, which means that drunks at a keg party should get shot just as often as sober men acting with hostility and violence towards police...

Should a person really make that kind of claim in a legitimate debate to bring the question of racism into it?

/yawn. There are people on this website who'd support deporting all of the Muslims in this country or taking away the vote from poor people. What's your point?

I missed the discussion where people were advocating the deportation of all muslims from Canada. Can you provide the link?

Tantrum? Okay bud. As for knowing little or nothing about the subject, I'm not the cliché old man bitterly listing off "Black People" crime statistics as justification for unreasonable force and outrageous police shootings. What you're basically saying here is,

This is a perfect example of "progressives" using the racism accusation to quell free speech lol.

You see moonbox, you can't just bring statistics into an argument to prove your point and then completely disqualify statistics, which are directly related, just because they don't work out in your favour. That's what's going on in the BLM debates constantly.

I'm sure that you would agree that the people of the BLM movement have displayed overt aggression & hostility, committed acts of violence, they have made calls for murder, and have justified the murders of police.

You recall that their co-leader (now we are back on your topic of muslims for a second moonbeam) tweeted "Allah please give me the strength to not cuss/kill these white folks"? You can easily google that quote, I don't have a link here.

The BLM movement is setting a terrible example for people to follow, and they are certainly not benevolent. If they cared more about black lives than they did about hatred and violence the their public persona would be completely different. If my kid was black I would do everything I could to ensure that they didn't act like any of those idiots. A person like Jarome Iginla would be able to succeed in any walk of life. Smilers never lose, frowners never win.

"Sorry Black Guy, if all the other Black People behaved better, we wouldn't have had to shoot you." That's supremely ignorant, incredibly stupid and flat-out racist all at the same time.

Another straw man lol. Noone said that police shoot people based on stats, as if they have to fill some kind of quota.

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The BLM movement is setting a terrible example for people to follow, and they are certainly not benevolent. If they cared more about black lives than they did about hatred and violence the their public persona would be completely different. If my kid was black I would do everything I could to ensure that they didn't act like any of those idiots.

It doesn't seem to matter how they 'act'. If they're wearing brown skin, they're a target.

A well known face - city councillor, wearing business clothes, checking email, waiting for a bus ... harassed by a cop:

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6517752-councillor-matthew-green-files-formal-complaint-over-carding-/

BLM is drawing attention to prejudice in policing, because it happens too often.

"Political(ly) correct" behaviour just means 'not racist'.

Who the hell has a problem with that?

Racists, that's who. :/

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It doesn't seem to matter how they 'act'. If they're wearing brown skin, they're a target.

Yes, the Japanese are always being pulled over and frisked... er, well, not so much.

A well known face - city councillor, wearing business clothes, checking email, waiting for a bus ... harassed by a cop:

He was 'near a bus stop' according to your cite. Nor does your cite say he was in business clothes, just that he was 'under-dressed'.

So a cop asked him what he was up to. So what? Cry me a river.

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My logic is impeccable. If Blacks have five times more interactions with police because of the amount of crime then there's obviously going to be more violence between them.

And as I said, what virtually all the shootings had in common was Black men committing crimes and refusing to cooperate and resisting arrest.

+1.

I'm stunned at how most of the mainstream media doesn't have grasp on relatively basic math.

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It doesn't seem to matter how they 'act'. If they're wearing brown skin, they're a target.

A well known face - city councillor, wearing business clothes, checking email, waiting for a bus ... harassed by a cop:

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6517752-councillor-matthew-green-files-formal-complaint-over-carding-/

BLM is drawing attention to prejudice in policing, because it happens too often.

"Political(ly) correct" behaviour just means 'not racist'.

Who the hell has a problem with that?

Racists, that's who. :/

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Wow jacee, you just proved that every police officer in north america is racist with that post. Good going! (just kidding)

Politically "correct" is actually a misnomer. "Politically paranoid/delusional with an imaginary license to pontificate no matter how idiotic your storyline happens to be" is the more accurate description of what we are talking about. BLM is the poster child for it.

Some people see exactly what they want to see. If you wanted to see ghosts and you stayed a cemetery or haunted house overnight for sure you would "see" one. Maybe even a racist one. But you wouldn't actually see one.

If you want to see racism you can find evidence of it everywhere. White people commit acts of racism against me every day, I just happen to be white so from my pov they're just assholes. And guess what? They're not even all assholes. Sometimes people are just impatient, stupid, ignorant, having a bad day/hour, whatever. I'm usually very polite but I've done things that pissed off other drivers before too. From my personal experience female police officers are surprisingly rude and lack reasonable judgement, but I've only encountered two personally. Are they sexist? Was the indo-canadian one racist? My first guess is that they were just bad at their jobs. I just let them power trip for a bit and nothing bad happened. If I was a BLM'er my job in those instances would be to report the more damning evidence of those encounters, scream blue murder if anyone brought up any video evidence to the contrary, and cause public mayhem to prove my righteous indignation. Then sit back and wait for the kudos from the potus.

If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. 

Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. 

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