Army Guy Posted March 18, 2017 Report Posted March 18, 2017 This time it is not the military generals but the National Post taking a swipe at the liberal government......and of course Canadians....And here i thought it was just me.....i guess not.... Quote But the entire concept of an interim purchase is flawed, and continues a long Liberal tradition of placing the party’s partisan political interests above the country’s, and specifically the military’s. It is outrageous, but it is no longer surprising. Quote It’s not an elegant solution, even on paper. The Liberals intend to spend billions of dollars to accomplish nothing but to defer an urgently needed military procurement, one vital to our national security and sovereignty. Quote In that, sadly, they may be right. Canadians respect their military, but rarely think of it, and are, in general, not particularly informed citizens regarding matters of national defence and security. Canadian governments have long exploited this to get away with underfunding our fighting forces and proving, time and again, that this otherwise great nation is simply incapable of replacing vital military equipment on time and on budget without utterly bungling the entire process (how are those Sea King replacements coming?). Quote It would be nice if the Liberals had been prepared to put the long-term security of Canada and the safety of our air crew ahead of their own short-term partisan interests. But no one with any knowledge of Canadian military history can credibly pretend to be surprised that they aren’t. This is, as those government TV spots would put it, part of our heritage. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/national-post-view-the-liberals-should-put-the-militarys-need-ahead-of-short-term-political-oh-who-are-we-kidding 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted March 19, 2017 Report Posted March 19, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 1:11 PM, Army Guy said: This time it is not the military generals but the National Post taking a swipe at the liberal government......and of course Canadians....And here i thought it was just me.....i guess not.... http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/national-post-view-the-liberals-should-put-the-militarys-need-ahead-of-short-term-political-oh-who-are-we-kidding It's only $7 billion. It's not like that's real money, either! It's only taxpayer money! We can always just borrow more! If it spares Trudeau a little momentary embarrassment then it's money WELL SPENT! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Probably debated before here somewhere, but Mr. Gilmore does not like the F-35: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/03/gilmore_farewells_trump_government_slamming_the_f35_again/ http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2016/pdf/dod/2016f35jsf.pdf Edited April 9, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Probably debated before here somewhere, but Mr. Gilmore does not like the F-35: Gilmore hammers all weapons system procurement programs...that is his job as independent evaluator for DoD and Congress. He "didn't like" the F-22 Raptor or P-8 Poseidon either, but both aircraft are now in service. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2017 Report Posted April 9, 2017 5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Gilmore hammers all weapons system procurement programs...that is his job as independent evaluator for DoD and Congress. He "didn't like" the F-22 Raptor or P-8 Poseidon either, but both aircraft are now in service. Meanwhile...Over the sea's let's go, men. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RwbJ35qypM She's a biggie...PCU-CVN-78 Ford out to sea for trials. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Posted May 8, 2017 Senate committee wants the F-35 JSF for Canada, and lots of them: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-defence-policy-sajjan-1.4105136 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Posted May 25, 2017 Liberals "quietly" pay $30 million for continued membership in the F-35 JSF club. But talking F-35 trash remains free ! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-fighter-jet-joint-strike-canada-fee-1.4131285 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 F-35 performs at Paris Air Show....3D turns without thrust vectoring. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: F-35 performs at Paris Air Show....3D turns without thrust vectoring. 1:50 mark or so...slows down to let kids cross street... Edited June 20, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) In Japan, recently...June 13th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZY_2P6iZY Folks still don't quite gasp what this means. Jeep carriers (LHAs etc) like the USS America are going to pack a punch like a BIG carrier. Perhaps even delegating super-carriers to the past or to a much more 'strategic' role. Edited June 20, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: 1:50 mark or so...slows down to let kids cross street... That was funny. You sure you aren't Jewish? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 10 hours ago, Rue said: That was funny. You sure you aren't Jewish? Like the F-22, the F-35 is quite the machine no matter what its detractors say. Japan just rolled-out its first F-35... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61TUq1gjUyY Canada misses the bus...again. I'm sure if we dig, we could find a few crated-up CF-104s to supplement our fleet of mid-20th century aircraft. Re Jewish: "Let 'em all go to Hell except cave 76." Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 Boeing has given Trudeau a way to save political face while protecting Canadian jobs for Bombardier and JSF Tier 3 defense contractors. Canada just paid another $30 million to stay in the JSF club. The very short sighted plan to buy 18 interim Super Hornets will be forgiven by fickle voters. F-35As are now well below $90 million and it will win any competition that isn't rigged against it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 24, 2018 Report Posted September 24, 2018 Trump government tosses Trudeau a bone....gives U.S. blessing to Liberal plan to buy very used Australian F-18 strike fighters: Quote Canada's deal to purchase 25 used F/A-18A/B Hornets from Australia has received approval from the U.S. federal government. The acquisition is seen as essential by the Canadian Ministry of Defense as the roughly 75 CF-18 Hornets it has in service currently are in the twilight of the lifespans and will need major upgrades just to make through another decade of operations. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23770/u-s-oks-canadas-purchase-of-25-second-hand-australian-f-a-18-hornets Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted September 24, 2018 Report Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump government tosses Trudeau a bone....gives U.S. blessing to Liberal plan to buy very used Australian F-18 strike fighters: More of the old F-18's? Honestly...I guess the F-35's were a potential boondoggle, but still, isn't there a middle ground? I guess they're still good supersonic fighters that do the job. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 24, 2018 Report Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: More of the old F-18's? Honestly...I guess the F-35's were a potential boondoggle, but still, isn't there a middle ground? I guess they're still good supersonic fighters that do the job. They are obsolete and were never designed for extended airframe hours, so Trudeau will still have to spend billions to upgrade them, all while trying to keep lucrative F-35 sub-contracts for Canadian workers. Politically, Trudeau cannot purchase newer Boeing F-18 E/F Super Hornets without looking very silly. ...so he kicks the procurement can down the road...as usual. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted September 24, 2018 Report Posted September 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: They are obsolete and were never designed for extended airframe hours, so Trudeau will still have to spend billions to upgrade them, all while trying to keep lucrative F-35 sub-contracts for Canadian workers. Politically, Trudeau cannot purchase newer Boeing F-18 E/F Super Hornets without looking very silly. ...so he kicks the procurement can down the road...as usual. I just get angry when I think about what happened to our once great military. It's still a good military and spending is increasing. Quote
Argus Posted September 24, 2018 Report Posted September 24, 2018 18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: More of the old F-18's? Honestly...I guess the F-35's were a potential boondoggle, but still, isn't there a middle ground? I guess they're still good supersonic fighters that do the job. The next nearest competitor was designed in the 1980s. This is a jet we will take deliver of in ten years and will be flying for another 40 years beyond that. That means we really do need to get the most modern, up to date aircraft we can. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted September 24, 2018 Report Posted September 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, Argus said: The next nearest competitor was designed in the 1980s. This is a jet we will take deliver of in ten years and will be flying for another 40 years beyond that. That means we really do need to get the most modern, up to date aircraft we can. By the time we actually get one, it will be in the 7th gen. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted September 25, 2018 Report Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: of our soldiers I just get angry when I think about what happened to our once great military. It's still a good military and spending is increasing. WWII was a long time ago, that's the last time our military was great....Since then most Canadians and all governments choose to ignore our military and cringe when some one says something like "we need new equipment"....Our military is not good at the moment, ..... it is on the verge of complete rust out, average age of our soldiers is well over 38 years old, with to many liberal chosen soldiers that are either over weight or just wanted a job, ……equipment is well over 15 years old , with some well over 40 years old , .....out dated, over used, rebuilt to many times.... lets not talk about funding for training.....And to top it all off the liberals next purchase are old F-18's ….older than the ones we already have that is good fiscal responsibility right there........ Canadians should be pissed at the state of our military.....liberals got to go, and every General in the service that has political asperations, should be fired and painted with a ball of their own shit...... Spending is increasing, the liberals have promised the moon late next election, promises will not fix our military....military contracts for top quality equipment will something that seems to be beyond our capability........But they have not kept very many promises , except pot , we got lots of pot pretty soon.... Edited September 25, 2018 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 25, 2018 Report Posted September 25, 2018 23 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: More of the old F-18's? Honestly...I guess the F-35's were a potential boondoggle, but still, isn't there a middle ground? I guess they're still good supersonic fighters that do the job. Most new Aircraft started off as a boondoggle, teething problems....The Israelis have already used there on combat missions, in some of the worlds deadest anti air environments in the world...guess the damn thing works.....One question, would you strap your son or daughter into a Canadian F-18 and send them into combat with todays modern aircraft....say gen 4 planes....and hope they are good enough.....because that is what we do everyday...for over 40 years....How old are the military aircraft used to haul our government around in....bet they are not 40 years old.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
DogOnPorch Posted September 25, 2018 Report Posted September 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Most new Aircraft started off as a boondoggle, teething problems....The Israelis have already used there on combat missions, in some of the worlds deadest anti air environments in the world...guess the damn thing works.....One question, would you strap your son or daughter into a Canadian F-18 and send them into combat with todays modern aircraft....say gen 4 planes....and hope they are good enough.....because that is what we do everyday...for over 40 years....How old are the military aircraft used to haul our government around in....bet they are not 40 years old.... The F-35 works just as advertised...and more. We missed-out. It really seems at home aboard the newer smaller Jeep carriers/assault ships like the USS America. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Zeitgeist Posted September 25, 2018 Report Posted September 25, 2018 90 million seems reasonable actually. I think it’s worth it. We have some good naval ships and infantry vehicles. We already blew it with subs. Let’s get top flight gear for the Air Force, which is doing most of the combat these days. Quote
turningrite Posted September 25, 2018 Report Posted September 25, 2018 16 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The F-35 works just as advertised...and more. We missed-out. It really seems at home aboard the newer smaller Jeep carriers/assault ships like the USS America. Reveal hidden contents Why buy American planes at all? Given the attacks on its allies by the Americans, perhaps we'd be best to consider only the most up-to-date European technology. And we only require land-based aircraft in any case so the multi-purpose craft being developed by the U.S. may not suit our needs anyway. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Posted September 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, turningrite said: Why buy American planes at all? Because Canadian sub-contractors and politicians want to keep F-35 related jobs. Canada is a Tier 3, dues paying JSF program member. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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