Donald vs Hillary

[betsy]

Bill Clinton bombed countries.....to distract from the Monica Lewinski scandal! Here's the timeline....

August 17, 1998: Clinton Testifies

Clinton is the first president to testify before a grand jury in his own defense. During the four-hour testimony he admits for the first time that he had "inappropriate intimate contact" with Lewinsky. Clinton's testimony is most famous for his saying "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

That night on national television, Clinton admits to the American public that he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky. The media panned the president's unremorseful tone; during the four-minute speech, Clinton never says the words "apologize" or "sorry."

On August 20, Clinton orders missile strikes on an Al-Qaeda affiliated pharmaceutical company in Sudan and training camps in Afghanistan where a leadership meeting was taking place. Many members of the public are skeptical of the attack's timing, claiming that Clinton is using it to distract from the Lewinsky scandal.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/timeline/clinton/

On August 20, 1998 (same day of the bombing), Monica Lewinski testified for the second time before the grand jury.

Lewinsky Completes Second Day Of Testimony

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Aug. 20) -- Still stinging, sources say, from the way President Bill Clinton described his relationship with her, Monica Lewinsky completed a second day of testimony Thursday before the grand jury investigating whether Clinton lied under oath about their relationship or encouraged anyone else to do so.

Lewinsky did not talk to reporters as she left the federal courthouse, but her spokeswoman, Judy Smith, later announced Lewinsky's legal team believes she has finished her testimony before Independent Counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.

"She will, of course, as necessary ... continue to work with the Office of the Independent Counsel, as needed," Smith said. "Miss Lewinsky is really looking forward to beginning the process of rebuilding her life."

As Lewinsky was leaving the courthouse, national attention turned from the presidential sex scandal to Clinton's emergency announcement of a U.S. military attack on "terrorist-related facilities" in Afghanistan and Sudan.

Although Clinton said the strikes were in retaliation for the Aug. 7 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, some members of Congress, including Republican senators Dan Coats and Arlen Specter, suggested the attack could appear to be designed to divert attention from Clinton's personal problems.

National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry adamantly denied those allegations.

Lewinsky was recalled by Starr's team after the president finished testifying Monday. Prosecutors have gone over Clinton's testimony line by line and wanted to explore gaps and contradictions in the sworn accounts of the president and the former White House intern, sources say.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/08/20/lewinsky/

An article in the Muslim journal where Huma Abedin was assistant editor claimed Bill Clinton bombed Saddam Hussein to deflect from his Monica Lewinsky affair.

The claim made made in an article published in the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs, where Abedin was a member of the editorial board – the group of people who decide what is published in the academic journal.

It is the latest bombshell to emerge from the archives of the journal, whose editor-in-chief is Abedin’s mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, an academic in Saudi Arabia.

Abedin, who is not an academic, has been Hillary Clinton’s closest aide since spending time as an intern at the White House, at exactly the time the Monica Lewinsky scandal was unfolding.

But the version of events published in her journal is one which is unlikely to be embraced by the presidential candidate, and especially not by Bill Clinton.

http://www.infowars.com/bill-clinton-bombed-saddam-to-distract-from-the-monica-lewinsky-scandal/

Edited October 2, 2016 by betsy

[Cum Laude]

Exactly. If it wasn't for people like Trump, the country obviously would be in a better position. That's called math.

Many Canadians have bought houses in Arizona and I have gotten to many of them who are very wealthy farmers. These farmers like to brag that they pay no income tax year after year. Funny how it works. I guess there are magical methods in canada to avoid paying taxes. They also put some land in their wives' name so the wife, whether be a teacher or a nurse, end up paying much less in income taxes. Good times!!

[Cum Laude]

Trump's peculiar success points to a deep malaise within America but he is certainly not the cure. It's like getting somebody to operate on you who talks like a surgeon and even has some legitimate criticisms of surgical practice but is not actually a doctor. Politics is complicated - it requires a lot of knowledge and Trump lacks that.

Yet canada has a buffoon for a prime minster. i don't get you canadians and your hypocrisy. Are you telling me being a part time substitute drama teacher made justin knowledgeable about politics? He's as vapid as they come. But I guess it says A LOT about Canada, eh?

[?Impact]

Are you telling me being a part time substitute drama teacher made justin knowledgeable about politics?

You are right, much better to have a racist slumlord.

[Argus]

He has said he would wage war. But anyway, it's really stupid to give someone credit for not staring a war, when they're not in a position to start a war. Totally asinine, really. Especially when that person has stated, multiple times, his willingness to wage war. Why do you bother?

What he actually said was he loves war and he's good at it. Though his only military experience was getting his doctor to write him an excuse note so he didn't get drafted.

[Argus]

Whom exactly does Trump want to wage war against?

I could see Trump sliding into war with any world leader who insulted him on a continuing basis. He'd start out with little provocations, of course, and probably illegal trade wars.

[Argus]

???? Big difference between affairs between consenting adults and sexual harassment / assault.

The term sexual harassment didn't exist until relatively recently. It used to be called flirting and seduction. I doubt Clinton did anything previous presidents didn't. The press just didn't report on previous presidents' sex lives.

Edited October 2, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

So how well have all the very "experienced" politicians worked out so far for "America" ? Trump's inexperience is a virtue.

Well, you're the most powerful country in the world, rich, with a very low unemployment rate. And if it weren't for your crazy Tea party loonies you would have your debt under control by now.

[Argus]

I can point out the role of GW Bush, but it's sheer naivety to think that he started anything. Bush threw some chips in the pot, but you can go back to Carter and Clinton and get a better sense of why the world is where it is now. And, nobody has served to destabilize the middle east as much as the Obama/Clinton duo.

This is nonsensical idiocy. Bush was the guy who invaded Iraq, and the guy who set the timetable for withdrawal (in response to building anger among Americans). Oddly enough, Americans resented paying billions and having their young people killed horribly to protect a country full of people who hated them.

[Argus]

Increasing the size of the Military is smart, and also will help get people working

But he has no way to pay for it. The US has a massive budget deficit and he wants to cut taxes to increase the size of that deficit.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Do you think Americans care who is elected in Canada, even though "bad things" could happen ?

No I don't because it won't affect them. The consequences for Americans of any Canadian choice in this regard are very small. That's kind of obvious.

BTW this is a discussion site and we are talking about US politics.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Yet canada has a buffoon for a prime minster. i don't get you canadians and your hypocrisy. Are you telling me being a part time substitute drama teacher made justin knowledgeable about politics? He's as vapid as they come. But I guess it says A LOT about Canada, eh?

There is no comparison. Trump is an unstable, vulgar goon who would disgrace the office. That's why so many Republicans have repudiated him.

[Hal 9000]

The term sexual harassment didn't exist until relatively recently. It used to be called flirting and seduction. I doubt Clinton did anything previous presidents didn't. The press just didn't report on previous presidents' sex lives.

It's a politically correct way of saying "rape" or "attempted rape", but maybe we should ask Juanita Broadrick?

[betsy]

Oh boy. Trumpeteers aren't the only ones being degraded.

Trump Jumps on Leaked Audio From Hillary Clinton Fundraiser

Audio of Hillary Clinton addressing donors at a Virginia fundraiser back in February has surfaced and is gaining attention because of how she describes Bernie Sanders' supporters, and Donald Trump and his campaign have jumped on the story in an effort to bring Sanders backers to their side.

"Some are new to politics completely. They're children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents' basement," Clinton said at the home of former U.S. Ambassador Beatrice Welters. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don't see much of a future."

"There's just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we've done hasn't gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don't know what that means, but it's something that they deeply feel," Clinton told the donors.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-jumps-leaked-audio-hillary-clinton-fundraiser/story?id=42499760

Ahhhhh.....you can almost taste the condescension...."those poor deluded fools....."

Edited October 2, 2016 by betsy

[Hal 9000]

Oh boy. Trumpeteers aren't the only ones being degraded.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-jumps-leaked-audio-hillary-clinton-fundraiser/story?id=42499760

Ahhhhh.....you can almost taste the condescension...."those poor deluded fools....."

Sure, she tells millennial that they don't know what the F they're talking about, I just hope people realize that (by these words) she has absolutely no intention of handing out free education or healthcare.

[bush_cheney2004]

The term sexual harassment didn't exist until relatively recently. It used to be called flirting and seduction. I doubt Clinton did anything previous presidents didn't. The press just didn't report on previous presidents' sex lives.

Maybe in backward Canada, but the term has been in common use since the late 1970's, well before Bill Clinton harassed and assaulted women while in office.

[bush_cheney2004]

There is no comparison. Trump is an unstable, vulgar goon who would disgrace the office. That's why so many Republicans have repudiated him.

If vulgarity is a problem, then Bill Clinton would have never been elected and impeached.

Edited October 2, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

No I don't because it won't affect them. The consequences for Americans of any Canadian choice in this regard are very small. That's kind of obvious.

Canadian choices do have consequences for Americans, as seen with refugee and immigration policies that resulted in an attempted bombing of LAX (Millennium Bomber). Canadian illegals in the USA overstay their visas more than any other foreign nationals, and that includes Mexico. Sons of a Canadian diplomat sold drugs and committed felony murder in Florida.

These and other issues are front and center for a Trump campaign that is big on protecting the border and deporting all illegals.

Edited October 2, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[SpankyMcFarland]

Canadian choices do have consequences for Americans, as seen with refugee and immigration policies that resulted in an attempted bombing of LAX (Millennium Bomber). Canadian illegals in the USA overstay their visas more than any other foreign nationals, and that includes Mexico. Sons of a Canadian diplomat sold drugs and committed felony murder in Florida.

These and other issues are front and center for a Trump campaign that is big on protecting the border and deporting all illegals.

So the American is arguing Canada matters. We all know it doesn't. Compare your examples with, say, nuclear war.

[SpankyMcFarland]

If vulgarity is a problem, then Bill Clinton would have never been elected and impeached.

There is a world of difference between private misdeeds and public vulgarity. Hypocrisy is the essential political virtue.

Most candidates have a few skeletons to explain; with Trump, you'd need a cemetery to accommodate them. Each week, some new, weird story appears.

Edited October 2, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland

[bush_cheney2004]

So the American is arguing Canada matters. We all know it doesn't. Compare your examples with, say, nuclear war.

Where do you think the requisite uranium fuel/weapons cycle started for many of the nuclear weapons in the United States and United Kingdom ?

The point is that Canadian choices do impact the U.S., but American voters still largely ignore Canada's very boring election cycles and candidates.

Americans do not stay up late to see which party won the most seats in Parliament.

[bush_cheney2004]

There is a world of difference between private misdeeds and public vulgarity. Hypocrisy is the essential political virtue.

Lying in federal court about sex in the Oval Office is public vulgarity. Clinton was impeached for it.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Lying in federal court about sex in the Oval Office is public vulgarity. Clinton was impeached for it.

So you really think Trumpf is fit for the office of President? He would encounter hostility, ridicule and contempt in any European country he dared to visit, apart from Belarus maybe. He has betrayed US allies on the frontline with Russia. The man is a walking disgrace and all you can come up with is whataboutery on somebody else. Last time I looked Bill Clinton is not running this time. Are you not willing to defend your candidate?

Edited October 2, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

Where do you think the requisite uranium fuel/weapons cycle started for many of the nuclear weapons in the United States and United Kingdom ?

The point is that Canadian choices do impact the U.S., but American voters still largely ignore Canada's very boring election cycles and candidates.

Americans do not stay up late to see which party won the most seats in Parliament.

Thanks but Canada only matters in a teeny tiny way like a lot of other countries, as your strained examples illustrate.

One I will say in our defence. How any American can call our election process boring is a mystery given the years you take to choose a leader. Your elections never end down there.

Edited October 2, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland

[bush_cheney2004]

So you really think Trumpf is fit for the office of President? He would encounter hostility, ridicule and contempt in any European country he dared to visit, apart from Belarus maybe. He has betrayed US allies on the frontline with Russia. The man is a walking disgrace and all you can come up is whataboutery on somebody else. Last time I looked Bill Clinton is not running this time. Are you not willing to defend your candidate?

Trump is not my candidate, but he is constitutionally qualified to be U.S. president. Millions of American voters, Republican and otherwise, have exercised their right to vote for Trump. The process will be completed through to the general election.

Europe and Canada have nothing more to brag about about when it comes to political candidates and elected leaders.