Donald vs Hillary

BC_chick · October 7, 2016

The words racist and bigots are so over used these days that most people don't pat attention that much any more when the fake media uses them.

I'm pretty sure it's textbook definition of racism to believe that one's culture is superior and do not want mix with 'inferior' cultures. Given Trump's supremacist and xenophobic beliefs, I don't know why people feel a need to deny the obvious.

And if you really don't think he's racist, I'd be curious where you draw the line. Burning crosses and hanging people from trees?

DogOnPorch · October 7, 2016

Racism is: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Nothing to do with religion....or culture.

kimmy · October 8, 2016

Paul Ryan on new Trump audio:

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“I am sickened by what I heard today. Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified. I hope Mr Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests.”

Good for you, Paul. This is a damning indictment of the man's character, and requires a serious response.

Trump on new Trump audio:

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“This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course - not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”

Well, so much for a serious response. Sorry, Mr Speaker Ryan, your candidate isn't the man you deserve.

Way back in 2008 when people were attacking John McCain for that gorilla joke that was in poor taste, I was sympathetic to John McCain's response that it was just a joke, because I think all of us have told jokes that were in bad taste at some time or another.

But this isn't a joke in poor taste, this is a fricking guy who wants to be president bragging about how he can just walk up to a woman and grab her by the pussy because he's a star and can do whatever he wants. This isn't a joke, this is the man describing how he acts. This is the man telling you in his own words the content of his character.

I didn't support Mitt Romney and I disagreed with his views, but I never doubted that he was a decent person. I supported John McCain, and I believed that he was a decent person. I didn't agree with G.W. Bush or think he was a very good president, but I believe that he is at heart a very decent person. I believe that Bob Dole and G.H.W. Bush were decent and honorable men. I don't believe that any of that can be said of Donald J Trump. His policy ideas, such as they are, are idiotic... his history in the world of business is utterly reprehensible, and his moral character as a human being is utterly disgusting.

He likes to walk up to women and "grab them by the pussy" or start kissing them, because as far as he's concerned women are pieces of meat put here for his entertainment. How astounding it is that women haven't embraced this candidate. How astounding. It must be because they just want to see a woman win. That must be it, right?

And I can hardly wait to hear the excuses and the rationalizations.

"...b-b-b-but... Bill Clinton..."

"...b-b-b-but... the liberal media?"

Come on, Trump supporters, I'm so looking forward to this. Don't disappoint me. Please give this your best shot. I can hardly wait. This is going to be so good.

-k

kimmy · October 8, 2016

22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The exercise of free speech rights should be protected. Clinton lied...Americans died. Trumps policies haven't killed anybody (yet).

I certainly support Trump continuing to exercise his free speech rights! I hope he continues to exercise his free speech rights as vigorously as possible! And I certainly hope that people will listen to what he says and decide whether this is the sort of person they would want to see as president.

-k

bush_cheney2004 · October 8, 2016

That's all most American voters ask for....the opportunity to listen to and vote for the candidate(s) of their choice without having to satisfy expectations and demands from other voters and foreign nationals. It's just another U.S. election.

cybercoma · October 8, 2016

1 hour ago, kimmy said:

I certainly support Trump continuing to exercise his free speech rights! I hope he continues to exercise his free speech rights as vigorously as possible! And I certainly hope that people will listen to what he says and decide whether this is the sort of person they would want to see as president.

-k

Absolutely! Trump's biggest opponent is not Hillary. It's his puckered orange mouth.

msj · October 8, 2016

Was at a partner's retreat last weekend and having dinner with the boys and all of our wives.

One partner, with 3 daughters, went off on how horrible Clinton is and how he would vote for Trump if he could.

I wanted to say "but you have a wife and 3 daughters...." but passed.

Now I'm wondering how his Thanksgiving dinner is going to go when his daughters come home and the debate is on Sunday night?

Turkey for dinner and on TV.

I now understand GOP stands for "Grab Our Pussies."

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

The latest from Wikileaks.........Clinton's speechifying is far worse then Trump's latest flub.....

Edited October 8, 2016 by Derek 2.0

msj · October 8, 2016

3 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

The latest from Wikileaks.........Clinton's speechifying is far worse then Trump's latest flub.....

I prefer someone who claims to be aware of being out of touch than with someone who is so out of touch that he thinks it's acceptable to grab women by the pussy. :lol:

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

Just now, msj said:

I prefer someone who claims to be aware of being out of touch than with someone who is so out of touch that he thinks it's acceptable to grab women by the pussy.

I like neither, but if I had to choose, I'd go with atypical locker room talk from Trump over the elitist backroom dealings of a Clinton.....Wikileaks might have just saved the Trump campaign from being a total dumpster fire.

msj · October 8, 2016

Yeah , because a back room elitist is always Trumped by a back room rapist. :rolleyes:

bush_cheney2004 · October 8, 2016

Frankly folks, if it wasn't for Hillary Rodham Clinton, we never would have seen Gennifer Flowers' pictorial in Penthouse Magazine. The final days of this campaign will not only test new lows for scandal and mudslinging, it will set a new standard that future elections will struggle to equal.

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

22 minutes ago, msj said:

Yeah , because a back room elitist is always Trumped by a back room rapist.

Has Trump been convicted of rape or is that your projection? Frankly, I'm surprised that its even news worthy.......I mean anyone that hasn't been under a rock since the 80s knows that Trump is a misogynist flim-flam artist......Aside from the reaches of the far-right (and the populist far left), the Clintons have been placed on a pedestal......this recent Wikileaks dump all but confirms the many once thought kooky conspiracies from the far right/left about the Clintons are true.

?Impact · October 8, 2016

36 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

I like neither, but if I had to choose, I'd go with atypical locker room talk from Trump over the elitist backroom dealings of a Clinton.....Wikileaks might have just saved the Trump campaign from being a total dumpster fire.

You should talk to Jill Harth, a former employee that says his locker room talk mirrors the real world.

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Frankly folks, if it wasn't for Hillary Rodham Clinton, we never would have seen Gennifer Flowers' pictorial in Penthouse Magazine. The final days of this campaign will not only test new lows for scandal and mudslinging, it will set a new standard that future elections will struggle to equal.

Call me melba toast for once pining for a Bush/Rubio ticket

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

3 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

You should talk to Jill Harth, a former employee that says his locker room talk mirrors the real world.

Why would I do that? I'd trust a person, filing a civil suit vice criminal charges against a rich person they accuse of rape, about as far as I could throw them.......

bush_cheney2004 · October 8, 2016

4 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Call me melba toast for once pining for a Bush/Rubio ticket

Perhaps that changed when Rob Ford pointed out his more than adequate dining options at home. Toronto/Canada finally got noticed, and Trump followed suit.

?Impact · October 8, 2016

2 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Why would I do that? I'd trust a person, filing a civil suit vice criminal charges against a rich person they accuse of rape, about as far as I could throw them.......

Yes, if you are rich then you can get away with anything. You can grope their pussy and they can't do anything about it because they plebs will think they are just after your money.

You need to go back to the email dump and find something that is actually problematic. A bunch of backroom campaign folks discussing the issues and how they may sound is not actually revealing, and has nothing to do with the far right kooky theories.

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

Yes, if you are rich then you can get away with anything. You can grope their pussy and they can't do anything about it because they plebs will think they are just after your money.

........Or you go to the police and file criminal charges if you're sexually assaulted.

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You need to go back to the email dump and find something that is actually problematic. A bunch of backroom campaign folks discussing the issues and how they may sound is not actually revealing, and has nothing to do with the far right kooky theories

Why would I need to go back to it? The highlights alone confirm nearly all the Sanders and Trump slogans and talking points over the Clintons and Wall Street......I'm still waiting for the alleged influence peddling via the Clinton Foundation well she was in the State Department......thats' the kinda thing that could put her in jail.

cybercoma · October 8, 2016

1 hour ago, msj said:

Yeah , because a back room elitist is always Trumped by a back room rapist.

Wait....is the suggestion that Trump is not an elitist? He owns hotels and casinos. His entire brand is based on elitism. This is a joke, right? Tell me it's a joke. People honesty see Hillary as more of an elitist than Trump. Really?

cybercoma · October 8, 2016

50 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Has Trump been convicted of rape or is that your projection?

Has Bill Cosby?

msj · October 8, 2016

6 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Wait....is the suggestion that Trump is not an elitist? He owns hotels and casinos. His entire brand is based on elitism. This is a joke, right? Tell me it's a joke. People honesty see Hillary as more of an elitist than Trump. Really?

Agreed.

For some reason Trump's elitism is acceptable to certain people while Hillary's isn't.

Its very odd.

I often think there must be a logical fallacy named for this type of thing but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

3 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Has Bill Cosby?

No.....why?

Derek 2.0 · October 8, 2016

Just now, msj said:

Agreed.

For some reason Trump's elitism is acceptable to certain people while Hillary's isn't.

Its very odd.

I often think there must be a logical fallacy named for this type of thing but I'm too lazy to look it up.

There is nothing odd about it.......Trump doesn't hide his elitism......he brags about it, even had a tv show.

kimmy · October 8, 2016

2 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Frankly, I'm surprised that its even news worthy.......I mean anyone that hasn't been under a rock since the 80s knows that Trump is a misogynist flim-flam artist......

Not sure if you've heard, but there are some who are convinced that calling Rosie O'Donnell fat is the extent of Trump's misogyny.

The contents of Clinton's Goldman-Sachs speech might have mattered if she was still running against Bernie Sanders... but running against a guy like Trump? "Hillary's soft on Wall Street! Better vote for the guy who wants to completely deregulate Wall Street!" And if it was a different news day, maybe it would be getting more press. But right now, Hillary could shoot somebody in the streets and it wouldn't matter because the Trump thing is going nuclear.

Aside from Paul Ryan publicly blasting him and dumping him from their event (Mike Pence will attend instead) there is a long list of Republicans now blasting Trump, many withdrawing their support, and some even calling for him to step down and let the party choose an emergency replacement.

Republicans denouncing Trump include Paul Ryan, RNC chairman Rince Priebus, , Senate leader Mitch McConnell, Sen Kelly Ayotte, Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Ron Johnson, Rep Jeff Flake, Sen Richard Burr, and "low energy" Jeb Bush are among those denouncing Trump.

House Oversight Committee chairman Rep Jason Chaffetz, Utah governor Gary Herbert are among those saying they can no longer support Trump.

Republican senators Mike Lee and Mark Kirk both want him to step down. Mark Kirk called him "a malignant clown" and "unfit to be president". Former Republican primaries candidate Jon Huntsman also said that Trump should step down.

-k