PIK Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Why do we all convert to Islam if it is so much better. And if hate is on the rise in this country, that tells me we have enough representatives from Islam in the country. Edited May 23, 2017 by PIK Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: The real victim here is Islam, after-all. No, the victims are the kids in Manchester. Where do you disagree with my comments?
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Don't talk wet. The fact is there is no obligation on the part of any Muslims to come forward and condemn these actions, and yet many do. I sympathise with the millions of Muslims who are just as horrified as we are at these atrocities. How does one go about their daily lives knowing they are so closely linked to such barbarism? The idea that all criticism and abhorrence of Islamic excesses, from the bombing in Manchester to the recent canings in Indonesia can be taken to imply all Muslims are responsible is often the only argument some blinkered liberals have when it comes to such discussions. Comments such as yours merely reinforce their argument. I am not a liberal let alone a blinkered one. I just don't understand why you are defending this religion and what it does to the people to commit these barbaric behaviour. Of course you are free to follow Islam. Edited May 23, 2017 by Goh Shenas
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: No, the victims are the kids in Manchester. Where do you disagree with my comments? Islam is the real victim in this situation. Obviously not the kids. They are what the Islam = Peace crowd have deemed acceptable casualties as per the Acceptable Casualties Argument as London's Mayor underlined very clearly. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Muslims speak out against terrorists all the time. There are entire groups and movements of Muslims denouncing these acts of terror. There've been fatwas issued against ISIS and terror activities. The letter to Baghdadi garnered hundreds of signatures from Muslim clerics and scholars from around the world. There are individual Muslims who spend their life battling extremist teachings in their countries. Dozens and sometimes hundreds of Muslims have offered time and money to victims of terrorism. These things aren't featured on any news stories to the extent that Muslim attacks are so not surprising so many people think "Muslims aren't speaking out against terror". I sympathise with the millions of Muslims who are just as horrified as we are at these atrocities. How does one go about their daily lives knowing they are so closely linked to such barbarism? Exactly.
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Muslims speak out against terrorists all the time. There are entire groups and movements of Muslims denouncing these acts of terror. There've been fatwas issued against ISIS and terror activities. The letter to Baghdadi garnered hundreds of signatures from Muslim clerics and scholars from around the world. There are individual Muslims who spend their life battling extremist teachings in their countries. Dozens and sometimes hundreds of Muslims have offered time and money to victims of terrorism. These things aren't featured on any news stories to the extent that Muslim attacks are so not surprising so many people think "Muslims aren't speaking out against terror". Exactly. Rinse, repeat and wait for the next attack...and you moderates can speak out against your death cult yet again. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Islam is the real victim in this situation. Obviously not the kids. They are what the Islam = Peace crowd have deemed acceptable casualties as per the Acceptable Casualties Argument as London's Mayor underlined very clearly. I missed the comments. Nevertheless, I'm a member of a different crowd, I have a different view of who the victims are. I guess my problem is, I also have a different view of who the perpetrators are too.
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Our biggest enemy are these moderate, liberal lefties encouraging Islam. I don't want this religion to take over Canada. Be it moderate or whatever.
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, bcsapper said: The idea that all criticism and abhorrence of Islamic excesses, from the bombing in Manchester to the recent canings in Indonesia can be taken to imply all Muslims are responsible is often the only argument some blinkered liberals have when it comes to such discussions. Well if you want to go down that road, it is also the same argument blinkered conservatives use to support their "all Muslim's" rhetoric.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said: I am not a liberal let alone a blinkered one. I just don't understand why you are defending this religion and what it does to the people to commit these barbaric behaviour. Of course you are free to follow Islam. Hahaha.
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: I missed the comments. Nevertheless, I'm a member of a different crowd, I have a different view of who the victims are. I guess my problem is, I also have a different view of who the perpetrators are too. Describe moderate Islam to me please. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: Well if you want to go down that road, it is also the same argument blinkered conservatives use to support their "all Muslim's" rhetoric. I was talking to one. That was my point.
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Hahaha. Like I said you are free to follow Islam or moderates. Your choice not mine!
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Describe moderate Islam to me please. Don't give me that. There are no moderate Muslims as far you are concerned because those who are moderate are no longer Muslims. We've argued that before. I guess the question is, given your definition, how many Muslims are there?
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 London Mayor Says Terrorism Is ‘Part And Parcel Of Living In A Big City’. This was the new normal...you dirty unbelievers. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Goh Shenas said: Like I said you are free to follow Islam or moderates. Your choice not mine! Honestly, get a clue.
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Don't give me that. There are no moderate Muslims as far you are concerned because those who are moderate are no longer Muslims. We've argued that before. I guess the question is, given your definition, how many Muslims are there? Couldn't find even ONE aspect of Islam that is moderate? Say it isn't so...must be scribblet's fault. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Honestly, get a clue. Honestly what? That you are a Muslim sympathiser? Get a grip! There is nothing moderate about this religion and people who practise. Your choice not mine!
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 "Convert to Islam or you will die". "Kill the infidels" bla bla bla. Religion of peace as the moderate Muslims say until you are dead!
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said: "Convert to Islam or you will die". "Kill the infidels" bla bla bla. Religion of peace as the moderate Muslims say until you are dead! But, but, but...kebab and falafels...they're so tasty. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Couldn't find even ONE aspect of Islam that is moderate? Say it isn't so...must be scribblet's fault. I didn't look. Tell me. How many Muslims do you think are on the planet? The fact is, we are not arguing whether or not moderate Muslims exist. We are arguing whether or not they are Muslims.
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: I didn't look. Tell me. How many Muslims do you think are on the planet? The fact is, we are not arguing whether or not moderate Muslims exist. We are arguing whether or not they are Muslims. Nearly 2 Billion and growing. They all use the same Quran. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Nearly 2 Billion and growing. They all use the same Quran. Yes, but are they all Muslims?
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Yes, but are they all Muslims? They claim so. You do realize you're just harping on the acceptable casualties argument, yourself...I hope. Even if only 1%-2% of Muslims....as a figure...are murderous...the cult should be given a pass. The majority aren't murderous after-all. We just have no way of telling which "moderate" will stop being "moderate" and splatter your kid across a stadium. But that's not their fault....of course not. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: They claim so. You do realize you're just harping on the acceptable casualties argument, yourself...I hope. Even if only 1%-2% of Muslims....as a figure...are murderous...the cult should be given a pass. The majority aren't murderous after-all. We just have no way of telling which "moderate" will stop being "moderate" and splatter your kid across a stadium. But that's not their fault....of course not. They are all brainwashed. Moderate or extremists. It just takes one fuse to detonate another bomb. Fancy having one in Toronto?
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