Derek 2.0 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 If the police issue an alert for a kidnapped child, it's already a crime. They don't issue alerts that say "A middle aged white guy was seen in the vicinity of a child. Nothing has happened but we all know what *could* happen, so we want to talk to that guy (subtext: because he's white, middle aged and children are mostly kidnapped by white guys, many of them middle aged). Do you think white middle aged guys wouldn't take offense to that kind of message? That's best left to a discussion over policing methods, both its reactionary and preemptive nature. Using your example, I would assume if a middle age white male was hanging around a playground watching children, concerned parents would contact the police, and police would most certainly investigate. I, a middle age white male, wouldn't take offense, but consider it due diligence on the part of police........as I said, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Argus Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) You mean you don't see the news of child sex tours by white men from Western countries? I see it often. But let's talk about statistics: While nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white, whites accounted for 40% of those imprisoned for violent crimes against adults. -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991. Pedophile and Child Molester Statistics - Yello Dyno That's real interesting but irrelevent. The US government includes middle eastern and north african people under "white" and until the last two years included Hispanics, too. Whites make up 75% of the population anyway. So... nothing useful to contribute? Edited January 16, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) That's real interesting but irrelevent. The US government includes middle eastern and north african people under "white" and until the last two years included Hispanics, too. Whites make up 75% of the population anyway. So... nothing useful to contribute? Why are you apologizing for the white pedophile epidemic? It's a serious issue and white men need to first accept that it's a problem, then figure out how to resolve the issue within their own community. How about serial killers? Why are they usually white people? What about school shooters? White boys? What's going on with white people? Time to watch the ones that are already here carefully and not let in any more white people into our countries until we can figure out what's going on. Edited January 16, 2016 by Hudson Jones When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 We have endless statistics of white men raping underage girls and boys in Cuba, etc. It's sickening that we have to draw out these statistics and compare them to ME men. Where does it end and where does it begin that we can help these victims. The only sickening thing is how many so-called progressives try so desperately to make excuses for the extreme misogyny of the Muslim world. I guess what we know about progressives is there is a hierarchy to the causes they defend. Non-Whites are way up at the top, and women, well, progressives pay lip service to their interest, but don't care that much about them. Hey, so what if they get raped and beaten and treated like crap. That's just not that important. Well, unless they're on a western college campus and it's at the hands of a white boy anyway. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Why are you apologizing for the white pedophile epidemic? If you had the slightest evidence, cite, statistics, or anything else to support your smirking, smarmy statement it might be taken more seriously. As it is I see it as just another desperate attempt to defend the abuse of women in the Muslim world. When will the Muslim world progress and put more effort into equality and defending women? Never, if western progressives have their way! Because they won't admit there is anything in need of doing! Edited January 16, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Islamic terrorism is a problem in Thailand, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Bangkok_bombing Where in the world are their Muslims and yet no Muslim terrorism? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Where in the world are their Muslims and yet no Muslim terrorism? Islam's history is that of military conquest. Terrorism of captured populations was the norm. The Covenant of Omar codified the treatment of non-Muslims much like the Nuremberg Laws re: Jews. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Because some people are smart enough not to engage in the ecological fallacy. If Muslims were rampant rapist then you'd be bent over in an alley by now with the hundreds of thousands of them in Canada already. As people are fond of saying around these parts, the plural of anecdotes is not "data." And the inverse is true as well: the corollary of statistics is not "personal experience". Muslims in general may not be "rampant racists". But it's nonetheless apparent that countries that have taken in large numbers of people from the Middle East and North Africa have observed significant amounts of sexual violence linked to these newcomers. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Where's your outrage over sex offenders at Mardis Gras? Oh right, they're not Muslim foreigners. If the proposition here is that Westerners don't take sexual violence seriously unless it involves foreigners, I think it fails badly. Look at the amount of tension currently going on regarding the issue of rape on college campuses, as one example. Here in Canada we shut down a whole dentistry department because some of the students made rapey comments in their Facebook page. Yes, sexual assault does happen here, especially at places where drunk young people gather, like Mardi Gras, music festivals, and frat parties. In spite of that, I doubt you can produce an example of anything comparable to what just happened in Germany. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Just because I constantly see news about white pedophiles, committing crimes against children, and since majority of them are white men, I don't get all panicky when my children are around other white men and I don't cry about allowing white males into the country. If pedophelia is a white-people problem, why do so many non-white countries have a significant percentage of girls married under the age of 15? -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) If pedophelia is a white-people problem, why do so many non-white countries have a significant percentage of girls married under the age of 15? Apples and oranges comparison/question for different cultures and the very psychiatric definition of pedophilia. If I thought Selena Gomez was hot at age 15, am I a pedophile ? Edited January 16, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 I agree there are cultural issues, but notice how in Sweden, some other Muslim countries were not on the list. Notice how Bulgaria and Romania. Also, Pakistan does not represent Islam or Muslims. This goes back to the biggest issue with how you have been approaching this topic, which is to blame a religion and anyone else who seems themselves as Muslim for the acts that are prevalent in specific cultures. My concern is not Islam as a whole. My concern is the attitudes of large portions of those who will be coming here. I realize that many Muslims in western countries have adopted more progressive outlooks than their Middle Eastern counterparts. But we don't get refugees from western countries, we get them from the Middle East. We're getting refugees from places where the prevailing cultural view is that women have to cover themselves to prevent men from being tempted. Then we act surprised when men from that culture behave badly to women who aren't covered. How surprised can we really be? -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Apples and oranges comparison/question for different cultures and the very psychiatric definition of pedophilia. If I thought Selena Gomez was hot at age 15, am I a pedophile ? In short... pedophilia is a western crime... because it's not a crime outside the west? -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) In short... pedophilia is a western crime... because it's not a crime outside the west? Pedophilia is a (western ?) psychiatric disorder that may result in criminal behaviour depending on jurisdiction, age, actions, etc. Throwing around imprecise associations in support of Islamophobia leads to lots of wonky comparisons each way. Edited January 16, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Yes, sexual assault does happen here, especially at places where drunk young people gather, like Mardi Gras, music festivals, and frat parties. In spite of that, I doubt you can produce an example of anything comparable to what just happened in Germany. and just what did happen... in Germany? Not to diminish any incident, with the city of Cologne a profiled example, the most recent update I can find: 100 police complaints... 2/3rd categorized as sexual assault - 2 actual rape designations... German authorities have identified 31 suspects so far, including 18 "asylum-seekers". perhaps for perspective and in the interests of establishing a phobiaMeasuringReference: anyone with country-wide assault/rape stats to correlate with the over 1 million 2015 migrant registrations in Germany? Anyone? Anyone? .
dialamah Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) If pedophelia is a white-people problem, why do so many non-white countries have a significant percentage of girls married under the age of 15? That's not a very good comparison. Girls being married by the age of 15 isn't pedophilia; it's been the standard for most of the world for most of history. Edited January 16, 2016 by dialamah
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 That's not a very good comparison. Girls being married by the age of 15 isn't pedophilia; it's been the standard for most of the world for most of history. Yes, I believe we just went over that. A white guy who has sex with somebody under 15 is a pedophile, but a non-white person who has sex with somebody under 15 isn't. Anyway, why are you so accepting of the sexual perversions of white people, but so concerned over the sexual perversions of non-white people? What makes you think I'm so accepting of sex crime committed by white people? What makes people so accepting of mass sexual assaults committed by non-white people? -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 and just what did happen... in Germany? Not to diminish any incident, with the city of Cologne a profiled example, the most recent update I can find: 100 police complaints... 2/3rd categorized as sexual assault - 2 actual rape designations... German authorities have identified 31 suspects so far, including 18 "asylum-seekers". perhaps for perspective and in the interests of establishing a phobiaMeasuringReference: anyone with country-wide assault/rape stats to correlate with the over 1 million 2015 migrant registrations in Germany? Anyone? Anyone? . "Not to diminish any incident, but I'm going to try and diminish this incident." At last count there were well over 500 victims who have complained to police. Of the 31 identified when last I heard, there were 9 Algerians, 8 Moroccans, 5 Iranians, 4 Syrians, and an Iraqi, which draws a slightly more complete picture than "18 asylum seekers". That was Cologne; similar incidents happened in other German cities, as well as cities in Sweden, Finland, Austria, and Switzerland. It's certainly fortunate that not all 1.1 million refugees were at the Cologne train station, though. The mayor of Cologne says that women should not go out alone, and should stay "an arm's length" from strange men. German women apparently can't go to public pools either anymore. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
waldo Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 "Not to diminish any incident, but I'm going to try and diminish this incident." At last count there were well over 500 victims who have complained to police. Of the 31 identified when last I heard, there were 9 Algerians, 8 Moroccans, 5 Iranians, 4 Syrians, and an Iraqi, which draws a slightly more complete picture than "18 asylum seekers". That was Cologne; similar incidents happened in other German cities, as well as cities in Sweden, Finland, Austria, and Switzerland. It's certainly fortunate that not all 1.1 million refugees were at the Cologne train station, though. The mayor of Cologne says that women should not go out alone, and should stay "an arm's length" from strange men. German women apparently can't go to public pools either anymore. does your newly tagged facilitator role embolden you to make shyte up and jig your own agenda driven changes to actual statement/words I used? if I purposely state, "no intent to diminish", there was no intent to diminish; rather, an attempt was made to provide some semblance of actual numbers to match the unsubstantiated phobeConcern here. The focus of discussion was Germany - is your "argument/position" so weak you feel a need to creep the scope... while providing no actual numbers in doing so - nice! I provided a clear numbers delineation for the much profiled city of Cologne; one with the threads focus on migrants/refugees. Apparently, attempting to bring clarity was too much for you. your statement prompted me to search further based on your own words: I find a more complete/detailed and updated accounting (from my own prior reference) of that 31 suspect reference... this reference per a January 10th update: German police have identified 18 asylum seekers among 31 suspects in connection with robberies and assaults committed in Cologne at New Year. None of the 31 is currently suspected of committing sexual assaults of the kind that have prompted outrage in Germany over the past week. Mr Plate said the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, five Iranians, four Syrians, two Germans and one person each from Iraq, Serbia and the United States. Cologne police said they have received a total of 170 criminal complaints related to New Year, including 120 of a sexual nature. In addition to the 31 suspects detained by federal officers, city police arrested two men from North Africa, aged 16 and 23. so... I attempt to provide some degree of perspective on the expressed related phobia here... where no actual numbers are provided yet the word rapeRunsRampant throughout... in relation to the over 1 million 2015 migrant registrations and you actually have the temerity to state, "It's certainly fortunate that not all 1.1 million refugees were at the Cologne train station, though." Your clear phobia runs strong, runs deep!
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 I think what we are seeing is a mass conspiracy by European women to vilify Muslim men. Anyways...I've seen a few write-ups as of late that claim feminism has hitched its wagon to far too many other causes thus not making it number 1 on the runway. Its own runway... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
poochy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 so... I attempt to provide some degree of perspective on the expressed related phobia here... where no actual numbers are provided yet the word rapeRunsRampant throughout... in relation to the over 1 million 2015 migrant registrations and you actually have the temerity to state, "It's certainly fortunate that not all 1.1 million refugees were at the Cologne train station, though." Your clear phobia runs strong, runs deep! Your efforts to dimish the incident in Germany are obvious and transparent, as is usual, and common from anyone or your side of any argument you do it in a dishonest, back handed fashion, You recieved a factual response and now because your personal bias can't allow you to accept that reality you have turned to the insults and xenophobia card, well color me all impressed, i haven't seen that before, here, on this forum, ever. Im not supposed to notice or comment on it, but w/e. A mass, attack on women, performed seemingly by an identifiable group, and in spite of actual evidence to support the reports, we have to equivocate, pretend it must have been something else, and in no way question the moral grounding of the people who would do this, or of others that share the same beliefs. Im convinced.
cybercoma Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Muslims in general may not be "rampant racists". But it's nonetheless apparent that countries that have taken in large numbers of people from the Middle East and North Africa have observed significant amounts of sexual violence linked to these newcomers. -k It's also been explained how racism leads to more charges and convictions against certain types of people and that countries like Sweden define rape incidents far differently from other nations, but I mean those things don't jive with people's ethnocentric and often times bigoted biases. You know, just like people ignore Muslim nations having had female leaders, unlike good ol' USA or even Canada where we've yet to elect one. Recognizing these things just gets in the way of all the biased thinking here. You can see it when people are surprised that refugees have cellphones: "Like, omg, what do you mean they're not goat herders living in shacks?" Edited January 16, 2016 by cybercoma
cybercoma Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 If the proposition here is that Westerners don't take sexual violence seriously unless it involves foreigners, I think it fails badly. -k It's pretty well established that crime in general is taken more seriously when it's done by visible minorities and even reported differently in the news. I could provide you an entire literature review worth of work on it, but it's so commonly accepted amongst criminologists that I'm sure you can find plenty of articles on your own.
cybercoma Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Apples and oranges comparison/question for different cultures and the very psychiatric definition of pedophilia. If I thought Selena Gomez was hot at age 15, am I a pedophile ? no, but you'd be an ephebophile.
cybercoma Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Yes, I believe we just went over that. A white guy who has sex with somebody under 15 is a pedophile, but a non-white person who has sex with somebody under 15 isn't. What makes you think I'm so accepting of sex crime committed by white people? What makes people so accepting of mass sexual assaults committed by non-white people? -kAge of consent was 14 until less than a decade ago and remains so in a lot of the world. Edited January 16, 2016 by cybercoma
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