Big Guy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Looks like a well coordinated attack. The times and places well planned. Looks to me like these folks who did the damage are an intelligent and well organized group who have just created another successful poke in the eye to the West. I hope those in charge of the reaction will first try to figure out the intent of these attacks. What reaction did they expect? What will our reaction be. This will be a very successful attack if we react in the way that they wanted us to do. Lets not fall into any simple traps. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 You're angry and emotional. Instead, you be logical. You should look at what these bombings have accomplished. They will only increase the chances of creating more hostility towards the West. Of course I'm angry but I'm also a pragmatic soul. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ...We need to get the f*ck out of the Middle East and Africa. Yup...run away as fast as possible. Canada can avoid such attacks by completely withdrawing from the ME...Africa...and Europe. Get out of NATO too. This strategy has been proven to work...never! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Looks like a well coordinated attack. The times and places well planned. Looks to me like these folks who did the damage are an intelligent and well organized group who have just created another successful poke in the eye to the West. I hope those in charge of the reaction will first try to figure out the intent of these attacks. What reaction did they expect? What will our reaction be. This will be a very successful attack if we react in the way that they wanted us to do. Lets not fall into any simple traps. And how do you think they want us to attack? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I think JT should say 'fu....k it. We're going in. Who's with me?' Or 'Let's roll' But seriously, we can't stand by and just 'provide training'. Enough is enough. Going in WHERE??? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So we just stand by? That would certainly be less harmful than what we're doing now, but not necessarily. I doubt you're in the mood right now to hear what I'd do so... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Going in WHERE??? Wherever ISIS is. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Of course I'm angry but I'm also a pragmatic soul. Then you should take the several lessons from the past and not advocate more bombings. Just a thought: How many innocent people do you think die from the bombings we are doing in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan and several other places where U.S. drones are dropping bombs on so-called terrorists? What have they accomplished besides killing innocent people and not only "not" stopping extremism, but increasing it. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 That would certainly be less harmful than what we're doing now, but not necessarily. I doubt you're in the mood right now to hear what I'd do so... Try me. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 This is a line I would expect from a comedian. Honestly RM, re-read that post and reflect. Seems like people want to bomb somebody - I'm just trying to understand who and why. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
capricorn Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Btw, according to our new minister of national defense, we don't need to fear ISIS. Indeed. On the other hand, France's Hollande said we have to fear terrorists. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Seems like people want to bomb somebody - I'm just trying to understand who and why. Bomb the United States....that's the root cause according to some here, right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Yup...run away as fast as possible. Canada can avoid such attacks by completely withdrawing from the ME...Africa...and Europe. Get out of NATO too. This strategy has been proven to work...never! The opposite is true. What have our adventures achieved besides increase terrorism? How about we learn from the few European countries who fight the urge to get involved. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Yup...run away as fast as possible. Canada can avoid such attacks by completely withdrawing from the ME...Africa...and Europe. Get out of NATO too. This strategy has been proven to work...never! What's your strategy? Turn a terrorist attack into an excuse to invade another country? Sit down already about strategy, your 'strategy' is why ISIS exists. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Wherever ISIS is. And where is that? You've said JT needs to go in. Go in where? Get who? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) They will not be wiped out. Just like Taliban and Al Qaeda were not wiped out. That's besides the point. What happened in Paris, if ISIS was behind it, could have been done with or without ISIS being in Syria/Iraq. All they need to recruit is the internet and fuel to anger people. We need to get the f*ck out of the Middle East and Africa. How do you mean exactly? It seems to me if we pulled out of the battles against ISIS, to be specific, we would just be consigning friends of ours to a horrible death. And then what? You would have them gain strength while we put our heads in the sand? No, what's done is done. Blame who you want, but at least look at the current situation realistically. I think instead of considering pulling out we should increase our efforts. But then, I don't have to go, so I guess I don't get an opinion on that. Edited November 14, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Big Guy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 And how do you think they want us to attack? I think they want us to react.. Attack who and at what price? People do things for a reason. Intelligent people do things for intelligent reasons. These attacks came at a price for the enemy - many of the enemy were killed. They were prepared to pay that price to attain and end - to gain an edge. What is that edge? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The opposite is true. What have our adventures achieved besides increase terrorism? How about we learn from the few European countries who fight the urge to get involved. Run...run...run. As fast as possible. This is somebody else's problem. Tough luck France...our new PM is only about warm blankets. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The opposite is true. What have our adventures achieved besides increase terrorism? How about we learn from the few European countries who fight the urge to get involved. Tell me. What can we learn? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hudson Jones Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 What's your strategy? Turn a terrorist attack into an excuse to invade another country? Sit down already about strategy, your 'strategy' is why ISIS exists. The truth. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
eyeball Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 All these "attacks " are just like the other wars the world has seen. We attack them and they attack us, its just a different style of war and the European countries are more open to those attacks. I really can't see how all this is going to end unless someone throws a nuke in the ME, and I hope it doesn't come to that. It's inevitable. Because nothing is about to turn this off, not in our lifetime not in our kids and probably not even our grand-kids' lifetimes. I think the possibility of a sooner end to this probably disappeared out of sight half a life-time ago. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) What's your strategy? Turn a terrorist attack into an excuse to invade another country? Sit down already about strategy, your 'strategy' is why ISIS exists. Then cut-off all ties with the United States too. No UN resolutions...no NATO...no NORAD...no nuthin. That will surely solve the problem for Canada. Edited November 14, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I think they want us to react.. Attack who and at what price? People do things for a reason. Intelligent people do things for intelligent reasons. These attacks came at a price for the enemy - many of the enemy were killed. They were prepared to pay that price to attain and end - to gain an edge. What is that edge? You tell me. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Just a thought: How many innocent people do you think die from the bombings we are doing in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan There is a difference between attacking terrorist groups where their friends and relatives die as collateral damage, and deliberately murdering innocent civilians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 In addition to a new Minster of Blankets, maybe Trudeau can appoint a Minister for Running Away. Are the CF-188's safe at home yet ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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