Netanyahu comes to Washington for more handouts

[marcus]

U.S. taxpayers will be on the hook for over $4.5 billion a year to Israel.

Every time Netanyahu comes to Washington to continue his extortion of the U.S. taxpayers of even more billions of dollars these days you see these pictures pop up in which President Obama is caught giving him a dirty look --just before he retires to a back room in the White House to sign a check giving Netanyahu precisely those billions of dollars to build more bombs to drop them on Palestinians, maim and murder them even more, and steal even more of their lands from under their feet, as Haaretz and New York Times liberal Zionist editors continue to grease the wheels of the deadly colonial machinery that calls itself "Israel"--what's the point of these presumably dirty looks, sealed lips, fingers fiercely holding the jaw lest a word of truth might run away from that self-suffocating silence? Nothing Mr President! A dark and darkening cloud called Palestine will always shadow your name and person where ever you go --your disgraceful support of a murderous settler colony built on the broken back of a nation will mar and mark with ignominy your finest achievements as a man, a human being, a president --

Edited November 12, 2015 by Michael Hardner
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[bush_cheney2004]

Meh...President Obama is just doing as all American presidents have done since Israel gained independence. The United States supports Israel then...now...and in the future. The Palestinian "guilt" angle won't work....just send more aircraft and bombs to Israel.

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[Michael Hardner]

Guys - don't post images of politicians talking. It adds nothing to the discussion, thanks.

[bush_cheney2004]

Guys - don't post images of politicians talking. It adds nothing to the discussion, thanks.

Right, but you missed the point entirely....angry "dirty look" vs. big smiles between Obama and Netanyahu.

It is part of their discussion.

Edited November 12, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

Aaaaah.... sorry about that.

Ok, feel free to repost if you like. Otherwise the link is there, and thank you for clarifying !

[Michael Hardner]

Nevermind - I will do it !

[Rue]

Now for people who want to read into the discussions from the faces, I think Obama farted in the first one. In the second one they are having a laugh over it. Happens a lot to middle age men.

[Big Guy]

Netanyahu has driven another nail into Israeli democracy. His government can now toss out elected representatives if he does not like what they think and/or say:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/israeli-expulsion-law-violates-rules-democracy-160724071131444.html

And Canada continues to support dictatorship?

Shame.

[TimG]

His government can now toss out elected representatives if he does not like what they think and/or say:

Try reading your link. Not "his government" but rather a "A three-quarters majority" of sitting members. That is a pretty high bar to reach in any parliament - especially in one as fractious as the Israeli Knesset. Second, the Israeli electoral system is a messed form of PR which allows extremists to get into parliament fairly easily. Are other countries that use the electoral system to keep extremists out of parliament 'anti-democratic'? Is it less democratic to allow them in provided they can conform to basic rules of decorum by not celebrating terrorism? Edited July 25, 2016 by TimG

[Big Guy]

Try reading your link. Not "his government" but rather a "A three-quarters majority" of sitting members. That is a pretty high bar to reach in any parliament - especially in one as fractious as the Israeli Knesset.

Do you know what percentage of the Israeli government represents the Palestinians?

Do you doubt that this new procedure was passed to allow the government to shut down Palestinian opposition?

How long do you think it will b e before the first Palestinian rep is tossed?

[TimG]

Do you doubt that this new procedure was passed to allow the government to shut down Palestinian opposition?

And it would require the new unanimous support of the other parties - including Israeli parties that are sympathetic to Palestinians. By setting such a high bar it could only be used in the most egregious cases such as where a member openly advocates terrorism. Edited July 25, 2016 by TimG

[Rue]

Oh gosh a thread that's been allowed to completely remove itself from the actual topic as long as somethinhg ani Irael is discussed.

Speaks loudly.

[Rue]

handouts, law of expulsion ah what the hell along as we can say somerhing nasty about the Jews,

[Rue]

The Law of expulsion was set up to try prevent members of the Knesset from inciting attacks

in Israel which some Arab Members of the Knesset were doing.

Existing laws already permitted their arrest for inciting terror and violence but the Knesset wanted a formal process to expel such members.

Does anyone think in any parliament or elected assembly if an MP stands up and demands the nation be overturned by violence such comments would not be censured and the member expelled?

Well in Big Guys fantasy word if you expel an elected member for engaging in unparliamentary language, its ony done in

Israel because bad bad Netanyahu said s

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The members of the Knesset can not for obvious reasons advocate for the destruction of Israel-thy were sworn to uphold the law or reform it but they have no jurisdiction to undo it

Hard as it for Big Guy's head to conceive, freedom of speech has limits nd advancing terrorism and violence are two of those limitation,

But hey what would a day be without Big Guy suggesting elected members of Parliament threating to bow up their on country are victims for not being able to incent this.

And in Bug Guy's Dhumma in Iran you rubber stamp vote what to vote for. Critize anything Iranian you are goat food.

But hey he thinks elected members should call for their country's destruction, Why swear them in with an allegiane tQueen Liz, know why? Because hell, jjust because an mo is supposed to be sworn in to make and honour laws, in Big Guy's world they should sit discussing how to blow up parliament. The Bg Guy Kaboom Paryy,What a joke.

Edited July 26, 2016 by Rue

[eyeball]

Anyone else notice the word Jew was absent from this thread until rue joined it? I could have happily gone the rest of the week without that.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

Please avoid thread drift.

[GostHacked]

Anyone else notice the word Jew was absent from this thread until rue joined it? I could have happily gone the rest of the week without that.

Everyone has an agenda apparently.

[CITIZEN_2015]

In return Israel looks after America"s interest in the region so it is not exactly a handout. Some do this for free (Saudi Arabia) and some for money.

[Rue]

Anyone else notice the word Jew was absent from this thread until rue joined it? I could have happily gone the rest of the week without that.

I expected such a personal attack. In fact the article quoted to start this thread stated and I quote:

"The constant incitement against the Palestinian minority from the prime minister down moves this on to the street, where there will be more violence and more attacks from the Jewish public on Palestinian citizens."

Not that you read.

[Rue]

Everyone has an agenda apparently.

Listen the baiting and tag team with Eye ends here.

The article quoted that started this thread stated:

"The constant incitement against the Palestinian minority from the prime minister down moves this on to the street, where there will be more violence and more attacks from the Jewish public on Palestinian citizens."

I didn't bring up the article and I am not on this forum flooding such threads that attack Jews-you on the other hand cheer led them and so?

You really want to team up with Eye and bait me? Deal with the topic not me.

This thread is yet another pretext to use pissing on Israel to insult Jews and not just Jews who believe in Israeli statehood.

Al Jazeera constantly insults ALL Jews using the pretext of criticizing Netanyahu to do it.

This thread was started like the othes, to piss on Jews for having a state.

Its stale, its pointless, and it attracts people like you trying to deny its pretense.

Edited July 27, 2016 by Rue

[jacee]

The Law of expulsion was set up to try prevent members of the Knesset from inciting attacks

in Israel which some Arab Members of the Knesset were doing.

Existing laws already permitted their arrest for inciting terror and violence but the Knesset wanted a formal process to expel such members.

Does anyone think in any parliament or elected assembly if an MP stands up and demands the nation be overturned by violence such comments would not be censured and the member expelled?

Can you provide links about such incidents?

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[GostHacked]

Listen the baiting and tag team with Eye ends here.

It's only bait if you decide to bite.

[Rue]

Can you provide links about such incidents?

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Knock yourself out denying them:

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/3-palestinian-knesset-members-suspended-israeli-ethics-committee-1065017198

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Arab-Knesset-members-anti-Israel-rhetoric-375540

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/feiglin-expels-arab-mks-who-call-idf-soldiers-murderers-video/2014/08/04/

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160447

http://www.care2.com/news/member/683342450/3924919

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/09/30/arab-knesset-member-blasted-by-left-right-for-fueling-tensions-on-temple-mount/

http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/02/09/3-arab-knesset-members-suspended-for-meeting-with-terrorists-families/

There are extremists in favour of dismantling Israel. They stand up and call for the dismantling of the Jewish state. They were elected on that platform.

In Israel freedom of speech is permitted. Some have questioned if they should go this far. The Israeli court has said as long as they do not incite or can be seen to support terrorism or violence they can say what they want.

The problem is the Knesset is not the Canadian Parliament. Its members on both extreme sides say things that incite violence and hatred against Palestinians, Muslims, Reform Jews, all kinds of groups.

Freedom of speech has to have limits. In our parliament we expel people for swearing or calling other members personal insulting names. We expel them for far less.

In Israel the Knesset can be a tumultuous place with screaming and yelling. The only elected house of representatives that come close are the ones in Italy and Taiwan-Formosa.

This thread was started as yet another pretext to piss on Israel. The fact is every democratic state has laws expelling its members for unparliamentary language. Its a non issue. Any elected representative who incites violence should be condemned.

Quite frankly I am the first to be reluctant to shut down freedom of speech but how far should it go? There are some days just listening to Donald Trump I wish he was censured because I feel he incites violence but I appreciate its a sticky slope.

Its interesting though. Israel is the only country in the Middle East with such a problem. In other countries you speak out against your government, you are dead. The freedom of speech Arab Jews have in Israel far out measures any thing a non Muslim let alone a Muslim is allowed to say in Muslim states.

That's the real issue. The anti Israel pissers on this forum are full of it. They won't acknowledge how much more freedoms Muslims have in Israel to speak out than any Muslim or non Muslim has in their countries.

That said the same law of expulsion would apply to extremist right wing racist Jews who incite violence against Palestinians.

There are also some extreme ultra orthodox Jews in the Knesset who consider Reform Jews like me a pox on humanity and openly call for our expulsion from Israel. It doesn't just apply to Palestinian extremists. Its a volatile parliament. Its down right explosive some days and you duck for cover as the words fly and words can incite violence.

[Rue]

It's only bait if you decide to bite.

No its bait the moment you print it and try make these posts personal. It also speaks loudly you won't apologize but instead come back with yet another insipid comment of denial. Knock yourself out. I make an effort unlike you to respond to Jacee without getting personal. Quite frankly I have been far ruder to her in exchanges than I have ever been with you and she rolls with the punches and gives what she takes. Its why I respond to her. She completely disagrees with me but has shown me decency with certain responses about feelings and I at least can acknowledge them unlike with you,

Enough. This thread was supposed to piss on Israel. The point is words in the Knesset get very heated, This is not Canada. Its a country where inciting anger and violence is very easy and can lead to bad results for BOTH Palestinians and Israelis. Cooler heads have to prevail and I detest shutting down free speech but there are limits. Even this forum has its limits and moderators.

[jacee]

Rue I don't have time to respond to your full post right now, but I have a question:

Do you think Israeli Jews will be expelled or just Israeli Arabs?

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