jbg Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 You can't be serious. I'm totally serious. Almost anyone can legally buy a gun here. And making them scarce has about as much chance of success as making kitchen knives scarce. How well did the gun registry work out? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Mental health is the real issue that has yet to be addressed. For good reason. First of all many of these gun control nuts were the ones that emptied the mental institutions and made forced hospitalization almost impossible, as a violation of the civil liberties of those that can't care for themselves. And a focus on mental health would mean we'd have to befriend or talk to neighbors, many of whom may, like this gunman, be rather unpleasant people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 I'm totally serious. Almost anyone can legally buy a gun here. And making them scarce has about as much chance of success as making kitchen knives scarce. How well did the gun registry work out? OK, now I understand the kitchen knife reference. The long gun registry was a blip in our gun laws and not a big part of them. Hand guns have been registered since 1934. Almost anyone can't buy a gun here and the kind of gun you can buy is strictly controlled. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_and_Acquisition_Licence Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 OK, now I understand the kitchen knife reference. The long gun registry was a blip in our gun laws and not a big part of them. Hand guns have been registered since 1934. Almost anyone can't buy a gun here and the kind of gun you can buy is strictly controlled. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_and_Acquisition_Licence How did Homulka and Bernardo do their thing? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 How did Homulka and Bernardo do their thing? Why don't you look it up, then you can tell us how it relates to our firearms laws. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 How well has U.S. "gun control" worked in the past ? Firearms are used in about 2/3rds of all homicides/suicides. Here are the historical homicide rates for the U.S. (per 100,000 population): Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 How well has U.S. "gun control" worked in the past ? Firearms are used in about 2/3rds of all homicides/suicides. Here are the historical homicide rates for the U.S. (per 100,000 population): please sir... you didn't link/reference source the article from which you pulled that graphic... nor does the graphic itself include any data source reference. Is that allowed in the MLW forum? that lil' chestnut about declining homicide rates is quite regularly trotted out by the proGunnerCrew... always, implying existing "gun control" is working... just fine! notwithstanding there are pockets within communities all across Canada/U.S. that have serious crime... increasing crime, the classic failure in improper qualification is the homicide rate --- how is that rate decrease happening when there are more guns, gun violence isn't decreasing, populations are increasing, gangs are more prevalent, drug related violence seems rampant in large cities, etc.. Well guess what? Wars have indirect consequences... like bringing war theatre medical advances forward, like related/improved emergency/trauma care having an influence in helping to reduce gun (and stabbing) related murders. Gun/stabbling related murders have significantly shifted to become related assaults with victims that previously died now living. Murder rate drops as more survive gunshots, stabbings - A Canadian today is half as likely to be a homicide victim as in 1975 relative to other advanced (OECD) countries, the following is a more telling graphic on the state of U.S. gun violence/homicide... where about 70 percent of all homicides involve guns... what could it be, what could explain such a wide disparity between the U.S. and other OECD countries? Anyone... anyone... anyone? Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Americans argue they do not ask for the right right to own murderous guns, just guns. Murderous is a descriptor Americans do not see automatically attached to all guns-just some. Americans are not Canadians. Guns are designed to murder humans and animals. There's no "non-murderous" guns. There's no such thing as a "benevolent gun". The US was created by rebels and vigilantes. That is fact. Americans literally took the law into their own hands. The gun is at the crux of this exercise-it is entrenched in the spirit of America because without guns there would have been no creation of their state and the end to what they saw as unacceptable tyranny. Yes, but humanity has evolved since 1776, when democracy was barely existent in the world. India won its independence from the British Empire through non-violent civil disobedience. If Quebec ever separates from Canada or Scotland from the UK, they will do so by democratic referendum, not at gunpoint. Edited October 4, 2015 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
sharkman Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Guns are designed to murder humans and animals. There's no "non-murderous" guns. There's no such thing as a "benevolent gun". And yet cars murder so many more people per year than guns. Murder, maim, paralyze, it's all there. Quote
waldo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 And yet cars murder so many more people per year than guns. Murder, maim, paralyze, it's all there. please sir! Just because we have to register our cars... this is no reason for you to derail this thread over Harper dismantling the long-gun registry! Quote
Shady Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 please sir! Just because we have to register our cars... this is no reason for you to derail this thread over Harper dismantling the long-gun registry! For good reason. Quote
Shady Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Guns are designed to murder humans and animals. There's no "non-murderous" guns. There's no such thing as a "benevolent gun". Yes, but humanity has evolved since 1776, when democracy was barely existent in the world. India won its independence from the British Empire through non-violent civil disobedience. If Quebec ever separates from Canada or Scotland from the UK, they will do so by democratic referendum, not at gunpoint. Then change the US constitution. Quote
dre Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Then change the US constitution. Actually they wouldnt need to change it, just find justices that can read the thing. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Big Guy Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Posted October 4, 2015 Watching the Sunday morning politico shows to-day. Found this gem: A "mass shooting" is an incident where 4 or more people were shot. The USA can boast 294 mass shootings this year - about one a day. The USA has gun homicides daily at a rate: 4 times that of Switzerland 6 times that of Canada 16 times that of Germany 21 times that of Australia 49 times that of France The pro-gun politicians in the USA continue to believe that the cause is mental illness - not the ease of getting a gun. Big Guy agrees that these folks are correct and the problem is mental illness - not gun control. The way some Americans act re-enforces that evaluation. The above statistics then indicate that the American population contains 4 times more crazies than Switzerland, 6 times more crazies than those of Canada, 16 times more crazies than those of Germany, 21 times more crazies than those of Australia and 49 times more crazies than that of France. Perhaps there is something in the water? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Actually they wouldnt need to change it, just find justices that can read the thing. Right. You're a constitutional law expert. But justices over the past 200 years aren't. Sure. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 If it were Canada, at least we could report these shootings as barbaric cultural practices. Depending on whether they were natural-born or immigrant citizens of course. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Actually they wouldnt need to change it, just find justices that can read the thing. Sorry...fuzzy "Charter Politics" is for Canada, not enumerated rights in the U.S. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 And yet cars murder so many more people per year than guns. Murder, maim, paralyze, it's all there. That's not true when you look at the facts on a state-by-state basis and many reports indicate that gun deaths are on track to overtake automobile deaths this year. "guns remain the only consumer product not regulated at the federal level for health and safety, in keeping with the wishes of the gun industry and compliant lawmakers. “Teddy bears get tested to make sure they can withstand use and abuse by kids, but guns don’t get tested to make sure they don’t go off when accidentally dropped,” notes Kristen Rand of the Violence Policy Center." http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/gun-deaths-versus-car-deaths/?_r=0 Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Moonlight Graham Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 And yet cars murder so many more people per year than guns. Murder, maim, paralyze, it's all there. Most car deaths are accidents, not murders where the person purposefully tries to kill other people. That's VERY different than pointing a gun at someone and pulling a trigger. But even still, yes you have a point, because cars are very dangerous machines, and that's why they're very highly regulated, where we have written, road, and vision tests so can drive them, driver and car licensing, mandatory insurance, heavy law enforcement presence to enforce laws, demerit systems etc. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Ownership and operation of motor vehicles on public roads are not an enumerated constitutional right. Still, gun sales and dealer licensing are regulated at the state and federal level. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Then change the US constitution. The US constitution does not need to be changed, it needs to be followed. To bad the government does not see it that way. Quote
Wilber Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Most car deaths are accidents, not murders where the person purposefully tries to kill other people. That's VERY different than pointing a gun at someone and pulling a trigger. But even still, yes you have a point, because cars are very dangerous machines, and that's why they're very highly regulated, where we have written, road, and vision tests so can drive them, driver and car licensing, mandatory insurance, heavy law enforcement presence to enforce laws, demerit systems etc.If you compare cars with firearms by how often they are used, cars are safer by a mile. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 If you compare cars with firearms by how often they are used, cars are safer by a mile. Depends on how one defines "safer". When firearms are used as intended, they can be very safe. They also do not have much in the way of CO2 emissions when used, which we are told will doom the entire planet. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Right. You're a constitutional law expert. But justices over the past 200 years aren't. Sure. I never said I was an expert but I can read english. The right to bear arms is mentioned only in a sentence that focuses on state militias. And if you read the articles of confederation the authors referenced the fact that the armies in Europe were stripping such militias of their arms. They actually wanted those state militias to be the nations only military so the whole idea of having a large professional standing army under federal control is just as unconstitutional as any laws banning thugs from buying assault rifles. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Wilber Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Depends on how one defines "safer". When firearms are used as intended, they can be very safe. They also do not have much in the way of CO2 emissions when used, which we are told will doom the entire planet.What is the intended use of firearms other than target shooting and hunting? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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