Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 So what? dead school children, that's so what. Yeah. Somebody broke the law. Actually several laws. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah. Somebody broke the law. Actually several laws. Duh! Yes, they murdered 13, or 15 or whatever the final count is. I think we have established that. Quote
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 The connect was to refute your assertion concerning firearms technology. Gun rights were not modified or repealed...slavery rights were.Slavery has nothing to do with firearms technology. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 "Slavery rights". What a phrase. Quote
Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 The ones wherein law abiding citizens lose their right to own and bear firearms because of criminals and crazy people. Exactly. They want to turn the entire country into a "gun free zone", just like this campus. One giant criminal protection area. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Exactly. They want to turn the entire country into a "gun free zone", just like this campus. One giant criminal protection area. So you and BC have figured out people should have guns, even if criminals and crazy people will get them. So which school do you boys reckon will get hit next? Quote
jbg Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Initial Breaking News from CNN - 10 dead and 20 injured in a mass shooting at a college in Oregon. http://ktla.com/2015/10/01/active-shooter-reported-at-oregon-college/ The sad part is that it is really not news any more. The location may change and the carnage may vary but this is the land of freedom and guns and this is just another predictable mass murder. So be it. Could the mental health, or lack thereof, of the assailant play a role? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Could the mental health, or lack thereof, of the assailant play a role? Sure but you think his legal access to three handguns, an AR15 and body armour didn't? Edited October 2, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Sure but you think his legal access to three handguns, an AR15 and body armour didn't? It's like having legal access to a kitchen knife. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 It's like having legal access to a kitchen knife. You can't be serious. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Body armour is not a constitutional right. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 So you and BC have figured out people should have guns, even if criminals and crazy people will get them. So which school do you boys reckon will get hit next? why bother? You receive nothing but flippant responses that effectively call for the status quo to remain... the standard response is always ONLY to suggest existing laws should be enforced... that attention needs to focus on criminals and the mentally ill. "Just don't touch my guns... and background checks are an intrusion on liberty"! Of course, when the topic gets a little too close for comfort, you'll be reminded that Canadians have no say in the matter... that we should, effectively, keep our "liberal" thoughts to ourselves... the latest related actual post reads, "Nobody is stepping on your right to have a good liberal cross-border cry, but please keep your foreign hands off my constitutional rights.". Of course, the same member certainly has no qualms in offering comment on all manner of Canadian related issues... such a double-standard at play - hey! Quote
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Good thing it was a gun free campus. Shooters have less to worry about. Concealed carry is allowed on the UCC campus. MSNBC interviewed a student who was armed, but didn't go out of his way to get into a gunfight because he thought he'd be mistaken for the shooter and get shot by the cops. This "good guy with a gun" thing is steaming horseshit that's all about the sad adolescent fantasies of gun strokers who've played too many FPS and watched Die Hard too many times. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 This "good guy with a gun" thing is steaming horseshit that's all about the sad adolescent fantasies of gun strokers who've played too many FPS and watched Die Hard too many times. Where are these guys ? The shootings keep happening, it seems that more guns doesn't help after all. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Where are these guys ? The shootings keep happening, it seems that more guns doesn't help after all. Gun strokers will tell you it's because these places are gun-free zones or some post hoc ergo propter hoc shit. Edited October 2, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Good thing it was a gun free campus. Shooters have less to worry about. Oh noes! You didn't fall for the Breitbart BS again, did you? Why don't you learn to check another source first before you spout off? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Oh noes! You didn't fall for the Breitbart BS again, did you? Why don't you learn to check another source first before you spout off? I was thinking about that argument before and it's actually pretty funny. So one of the big reasons these people feel they need their penis proxies guns is to protect themselves from a tyrannical guv'mint, right? So why are they letting the government (or private entities) dictate where they can exercise their precious second amendment rights? Seems to me if a tyrannical regime took power, they wouldn't even have to confiscate guns. They'd just have to designate the entire country a "gun free zone" and the gun nuts would apparently be all "welp, not much I can do about that!" Quote
Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Oh noes! You didn't fall for the Breitbart BS again, did you? Why don't you learn to check another source first before you spout off? So it's not a gun free campus? Quote
Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Mental health is the real issue that has yet to be addressed. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 So it's not a gun free campus? Nope. http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2011/11/oregon_university_system_will_1.html Curse you, Breitbart! Fooled again! Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Rue Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Having lived in a country where people carry guns because of anticipation of being called up at a moment's notice or in anticipation of terrorism I realize its a luxury to live in a country where I do not have to carry one. I am from the school of thought that most people will not know how to use a gun properly under duress or crisis. The real irony-not two weeks ago the same persons now on this thread pissing on the US and pointing out the killer is not MUslim now thought a clock that could easily look like a bomb was cool and police over-reacted because the person was Muslim. Great so let me follow their reasoning. Be frightened of white boys they kill. However if someone carries what looks like a bomb to school and he's not white relax. What crap.The skin colour, the ethnicity of the boy who brought the clock to school and the killers in these high schools is not the issue. At the pith and substance of this issue is the fact that access to long guns makes it possible for unstable people to get guns though that same access because there is no way to weed out such people from getting their hands on guns. What remains in dispute is whether stricter access or prohibition to access to long guns or any guns would prevent mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns. Most Americans believe their individual right to own a gun over-rides or takes precedent over any greater social right arguing guns should be prohibited. s. I personally do not buy the argument guns in the hands of civilians makes an environment safer. I think its the exact opposite because I believe most people with guns have no education or proper training in how to use them under crisis. I also believe at the pith and substance of the gun issue is a psycho-sexual issue as to how men identify their sexual identities and how they use guns as an extension of their penises to try show their toughness or strength. I believe it is no a coincidence that the key characteristic of a person who shoots innocent people is the fact they over compensate for feeling like weak, powerless (impotent) men. A weakling suddenly feels empowered when he holds a weapon. It attracts a weak person who feels he can not control his destiny. Its not an accident that 99% of such crimes with rifles are done by men and of all races and cultures. At the pith and substance of this behaviour are apes, primates trying to act out being alpha males, trying desperately to be alpha males. Some argue if you tell a child to stop playing with toy guns, they will just create them out of sticks when you are not looking or use their fingers but the compulsion to play guns will remain. I believe it is a primal urge that has evolved in time. It is a hunting instinct all humans had that after years of repression has mutated and comes out in this kind of expression. Violent men particularly those with weapons, are unable to control their primal instinct to kill. The reasons for that are complex and far more complex than trying to make guns go away with regulation. The reality is the need to kill to be brutal, violent, it will continue to be expressed and so the question remains can you really prevent it or at best ca you try control it through prohibitions or regulations. Neither has proven effective for drugs, prostitution. Some would argue zero tolerance in schools has failed. Then again some argue, stricter laws have reduced drunk driving. The debate as to how to prevent violence continues. Edited October 2, 2015 by Rue Quote
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Mental health is the real issue that has yet to be addressed. Other countries have mental health issues as well and yet these kinds of incidents are by and large an American phenomenon, but I guess it's a big fucking mystery why that is, right? Quote
Big Guy Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Posted October 2, 2015 So it's not a gun free campus? Yes - Just like this is a troll free forum. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Nope. http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2011/11/oregon_university_system_will_1.html Curse you, Breitbart! Fooled again! I don't read Breitbart. I was reading Associated Press. Quote
Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Other countries have mental health issues as well and yet these kinds of incidents are by and large an American phenomenon, but I guess it's a big fucking mystery why that is, right? Well you can't ban guns like other countries. It's unconstitutional. So you're going to have to suggest constitutional methods to remedy the situation. However, it will rarely stop somebody that has a plan, and is willing to wait in order to go through with it. If somebody wants to trade their life for yours, it's almost impossible to stop. That's just reality. Quote
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