BubberMiley Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 I don't read Breitbart. I was reading Associated Press. If you're going to accuse AP of shoddy, breitbartesque journalism, you should really cite their mistake or admit yours. All I could find was this: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/01/former-us-marshal-oregon-gunman-chose-gun-free-facility-umpqua-community-college/ Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Big Guy Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) On a more serious note I believe that we have to accept the reality of the situation. The American public understands that their children and rest of their families (except for the rich and politicians) are susceptible to mass shootings every day in the USA. http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 There are hundreds of reasons and excuses which vary from citizen rights to inadequate treatment of mental illness. It is pretty obvious that those who have influence on any kind of gun management are quite satisfied with the status quo. That appears to be the nature of the average American. They have a democratic process to make changes but are unwilling to do so. So be it. It is their country. God Bless America! - But leave your guns at the border if you come here! Thank God I am a Canadian in Canada. Edited October 2, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Well you can't ban guns like other countries. It's unconstitutional. So you're going to have to suggest constitutional methods to remedy the situation. However, it will rarely stop somebody that has a plan, and is willing to wait in order to go through with it. If somebody wants to trade their life for yours, it's almost impossible to stop. That's just reality. FTR, I don't think there is a solution. As I said about a dozen mass shootings ago, America has decided that a certain interpretation of the Second Amendment is more important than public safety. It's best to treat these things like tornadoes or earthquakes. And of course, be happy that I live in a country that isn't collectively out of its goddamn mind. Quote
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Well you can't ban guns like other countries. It's unconstitutional. So you're going to have to suggest constitutional methods to remedy the situation. However, it will rarely stop somebody that has a plan, and is willing to wait in order to go through with it. If somebody wants to trade their life for yours, it's almost impossible to stop. That's just reality. There are plenty of constitutional steps that can be taken and have been proposed. The NRA won't have any part of them. I'm of the same mind as Big Guy on this. Stand by for the next massacre, glad I'm a Canadian. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
waldo Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Stand by for the next massacre, glad I'm a Canadian. essentially its become a part of 'doing business'... business as usual. Presumed liberty/freedom trumps the collateral lives lost... "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"! Quote
BC_chick Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Guns don't kill people, psychos kill people. -- me. Ban psychos today! What, no generalizations about Americans? Oh that's right, you reserve that right for the swarthy types. Edited October 2, 2015 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 How so ? Hard to beat the frickin' U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court backed gun rights. That would be political suicide...pun intended. I think you are well aware this is not a constitutional issue. The courts have ruled that reasonable gun laws which allow for waiting periods and require safety courses, criminal checks and such on those who wish to buy guns are entirely legal. This is a political issue, not a constitutional one. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 I think you are well aware this is not a constitutional issue. The courts have ruled that reasonable gun laws which allow for waiting periods and require safety courses, criminal checks and such on those who wish to buy guns are entirely legal. This is a political issue, not a constitutional one. None of that could prevent somebody with a clean record from planning a shooting. I agree that it's a good idea and would help though. And should be implemented. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 So be it. It is their country. God Bless America! - But leave your guns at the border if you come here! Thank God I am a Canadian in Canada. Thank you for acknowledging the obvious...Americans do not need Canadian approval or permission to own and bear firearms in the United States. As for crossing the Canadian border with guns, Canada welcomes Americans with guns and money for hunting, sport shooting, trade shows, etc. http://www.canadawelcomesyou.net/firearms.html Stay in Canada if you are afraid....no guns there ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah. Somebody broke the law. Actually several laws. And it happens again and again and again, disproportionately to other peer nations. What do you propose be done to protect people? It's nice that you're all about shooting down solutions by saying the laws are already in place. Well, clearly the laws are inadequate. So what's your solution? How do you propose they protect people? Quote
dre Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 None of that could prevent somebody with a clean record from planning a shooting. I agree that it's a good idea and would help though. And should be implemented. It wouldnt even prevent someone with a dirty record. Theres 300 million guns in the US floating around all over the place. At this point its going to be really hard if not impossible to rectify the situation with constitutional legislation at this point. These shootings are just part of US culture now like baseball or apple pie. Here to stay. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Well, clearly the laws are inadequate. So what's your solution? How do you propose they protect people? I dont think theres any constitutional legislative solution that would prevent these school shootings. And as far as protecting people its actually getting safer to live in the US. Gun crime and violent crime are trending downwards. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 I think you are well aware this is not a constitutional issue. The courts have ruled that reasonable gun laws which allow for waiting periods and require safety courses, criminal checks and such on those who wish to buy guns are entirely legal. This is a political issue, not a constitutional one. Barriers to ownership and carry are a constitutional issue. There are numerous existing laws that require waiting periods and background checks that are easily circumvented by criminals or the mentally ill. Passing more "feel good" gun laws will not prevent gun homicides/suicides in the United States (average of 87 per day). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 I just don't get these shootings happening and nothing seems to be happening to address it. They just don't know who to bomb. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Why do you think that if a law is worded differently criminals will start obeying them? Of all of the dumb things said about gun laws, the notion that you can just divide the population between "criminals" and "law abiding citizens" deserves a special spot in the stupid hall of fame. Lots of convicted criminals have no history of violence and lots of people who have violent tendencies don't have criminal records. And most people have committed at least one criminal act in their life - but weren't caught. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
overthere Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 So it's OK to gun down teens and adults ? Yes, apparently it is since nobody is acting to slow down the body count. To be fair, adults are easier targets just by virtue of being larger. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Yes, apparently it is since nobody is acting to slow down the body count. To be fair, adults are easier targets just by virtue of being larger. That's why we kill just as many Americans each year with motor vehicles. Everybody is fair game. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Thank you for acknowledging the obvious...Americans do not need Canadian approval or permission to own and bear firearms in the United States. As for crossing the Canadian border with guns, Canada welcomes Americans with guns and money for hunting, sport shooting, trade shows, etc. http://www.canadawelcomesyou.net/firearms.html Stay in Canada if you are afraid....no guns there ! No one disputes the rights of Americans in their own country. As for crossing the border, we determine who can bring in their guns and why (no criminals or crazies) and what kind of guns they can bring. There are guns in Canada, but if Americans are afraid of not being armed for self defence, stay in America. Not allowed here. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) No one disputes the rights of Americans in their own country. As for crossing the border, we determine who can bring in their guns and why (no criminals or crazies) and what kind of guns they can bring. There are guns in Canada, but if Americans are afraid of not being armed for self defence, stay in America. Not allowed here. Americans are armed for many reasons, not just self defence. The point was that Canada sure as hell welcomes those same Americans and the money they spend. If Canadians are so afraid of Americans and their guns, stay out...if you can. No cross border shopping, cheaper plane fare, Florida condos, or Arizona property. It's just too dangerous for Canadians. Edited October 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
overthere Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 That's why we kill just as many Americans each year with motor vehicles. Everybody is fair game. To be fair, America puts far more effort into mandatory vehicle safety than into 'shooting kiddies' safety. Priorities and all that. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 The point was that Canada sure as hell welcomes those same Americans and the money they spend. On our terms. If Canadians are so afraid of Americans and their guns, stay out...if you can. No cross border shopping, cheaper plane fare, Florida condos, or Arizona property. It's just too dangerous for Canadians. You better hope Canadians don't. US border communities around here and snowbird destinations really hurt when Canadians don't show up. Cities like Bellingham Wa, are probably more worried about the Canadian dollar tanking than most Canadians are. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 To be fair, America puts far more effort into mandatory vehicle safety than into 'shooting kiddies' safety. Priorities and all that. And yet, motor vehicles still kill slightly more people than guns each year. About 93 per day, and far more injuries. Priorities and all that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 And yet, motor vehicles still kill slightly more people than guns each year. About 93 per day, and far more injuries. Priorities and all that. Yup, hard to get to work or the mall or drive the kids to school without your gun. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 On our terms. We know what Canada's terms are....it's just a matter of negotiating the price. You better hope Canadians don't. US border communities around here and snowbird destinations really hurt when Canadians don't show up. But the safety of Canadians is paramount. Some are so afraid, they would rather get murdered in Mexico than the gun crazy United States. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Yup, hard to get to work or the mall or drive the kids to school without your gun. But the children...they have no choice. Oh the humanity...damn those cars and guns ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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