August1991 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Between 30% and 35% of Canadian voters pay no tax at all. For these voters, any discussion of tax cuts (or tax increases) make no sense.They don't pay taxes. More pertinently, for these voters, they likely favour increasing government spending because they're not voting to spend their own money. If about one third of voters can spend other people's money, is that democracy? Or, can 60% of society tyrannize a minority? Edited August 31, 2015 by August1991 Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 I would say close to 100% of eligible voters pay tax, like HST/GST. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) If about one third of voters can spend other people's money, is that democracy? Or, can 60% of society tyrannize a minority? I don't know but what's with the coincidence that 1/3 of voters is all it takes to tyrannize people in our FPTP democracy? Edited August 31, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
August1991 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) I would say close to 100% of eligible voters pay tax, like HST/GST. Depending on "income'. they get a GST refund. But MG, you raise a good point. Do they declare? ===== Nevertheless, too many voters don't care. For them, it's "other people's money.". About 30% or 35% of voters pay no tax at all. They favour any increase in government spending, want more government (health/education) services since someone else will pay for it. As voters, they completely ignore talk of increasing/decreasing taxes (income, property, GST etc) since these taxes have no effect on them. Except, Harper once cut the federal GST from 7% to 5%. (It had no real effect except it was visible.) If i were Harper, I would cut the the CPP or EI contribution. Edited August 31, 2015 by August1991 Quote
BC_chick Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 If about one third of voters can spend other people's money, is that democracy? So let's get this straight. You're basically implying that only tax-payers should be allowed to vote and you're questioning whether or not everyone having the right to vote is democratic? Seriously? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Freddy Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 Between 30% and 35% of Canadian voters pay no tax at all. For these voters, any discussion of tax cuts (or tax increases) make no sense.They don't pay taxes. More pertinently, for these voters, they likely favour increasing government spending because they're not voting to spend their own money. If about one third of voters can spend other people's money, is that democracy? Or, can 60% of society tyrannize a minority? Chances are they wont be making a monetary contribution to a political partie. And that can help a partie win a election. I'd also add that homeless people most likely don't bother with voting at all. Crack heads, and drug addicts are probably to concerned with getting a hold of their next fix, so again, these people hardly will go vote. Young people usually can't be bothered with voting. If we had rules forcing people to vote maybe you would have a pointe. Quote
Mighty AC Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) I don't know but what's with the coincidence that 1/3 of voters is all it takes to tyrannize people in our FPTP democracy?Exactly! You'll find that a lot of conservative* support our broken electoral system simply because it gives their 1/3 a shot at absolute power. It seems that democracy is less important than getting what you want. However, I am pleased that the autocratic leadership of Stephen Harper has rekindled a movement to disunite the right. The former Reformer types are very big on democracy and are in favour of PR. Edited August 31, 2015 by Charles Anthony * changed "cons" to conservative Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
WIP Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 When did Mitt Romney join the forum? This putrid propaganda designed by the idle rich to shift attention away from their rigging of the system, really blew up on Romney when he declared 47% were the takers....not him and his friends with hundreds of millions of dollars stashed in overseas accounts! I'm likely going to ignore this attention-diversion thread and end by noting the majority of people who are declared freeloaders here are likely seniors who hopefully have been able to afford to retire instead of working at Walmart or the local supermarket. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Topaz Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 Aren't there also some richer voters, who don't pay taxes, like they delay it for another year or so? There some businesses owners that don't pay taxes all the time because of write offs. Everyone who is a Canadian citizen should be entitled to vote. Would u want to live the life style of someone who low income don't pay income tax, I wouldn't. Quote
Shady Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 I actually do think that only tax payers should be able to vote. Tax payers are the only people with real skin in the game so to speak. Quote
eyeball Posted August 31, 2015 Report Posted August 31, 2015 You actually think kids should vote based on the HST/GST they pay? Think about it for a minute. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 You actually think kids should vote based on the HST/GST they pay? Think about it for a minute. Nope. I'd make exceptions for anyone in school and anyone that's retired. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 Between 30% and 35% of Canadian voters pay no tax at all. For these voters, any discussion of tax cuts (or tax increases) make no sense.They don't pay taxes. I find that 95.2% of right wingers on MLW just make stuff up because they're too lazy to do a little research. Do you have any evidence of your claim? Or should the mods just helpfully delete this thread and ask you to do a little digging? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 I actually do think that only tax payers should be able to vote. Tax payers are the only people with real skin in the game so to speak. And surprisingly, that's far from the most elitist thing I've read from people on MLW. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Shady Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 And surprisingly, that's far from the most elitist thing I've read from people on MLW.It's not elitist at all. It's completely logical and rational. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 It's not elitist at all. It's completely logical and rational. To an elitist, I'm sure it seems that way. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
WestCoastRunner Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 I actually do think that only tax payers should be able to vote. Tax payers are the only people with real skin in the game so to speak. Can you be more specific as to the segments of the Canadian population you think shouldn't vote, other than a vague generalization of 'taxpayers'. You mentioned retirees and students can vote. Good on you! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Shady Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 Can you be more specific as to the segments of the Canadian population you think shouldn't vote, other than a vague generalization of 'taxpayers'. You mentioned retirees and students can vote. Good on you!I believe that anyone that pays income taxes should be allowed to vote. With exceptions for students, retired people, and people on EI. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 I believe that anyone that pays income taxes should be allowed to vote. With exceptions for students, retired people, and people on EI. You didn't answer my question but I am assuming you would not want Canadians to vote if they receive disability (this would include vets) and low income single parent families. Is there any other segment I am missing? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 I believe that anyone that pays income taxes should be allowed to vote. With exceptions for students, retired people, and people on EI. So if EI runs out ad you haven't found a job, kiss your franchise as a citizen good bye? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 So if EI runs out ad you haven't found a job, kiss your franchise as a citizen good bye? Let's not forget stay at home parents. They can't vote, either. And you people working minimum wage jobs? No vote for you!! Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
WestCoastRunner Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 Let's not forget stay at home parents. They can't vote, either. And you people working minimum wage jobs? No vote for you!! So if EI runs out ad you haven't found a job, kiss your franchise as a citizen good bye? Well, we know these Canadians have no skin in the game. They don't deserve to vote. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
BC_chick Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 I believe that anyone that pays income taxes should be allowed to vote. With exceptions for students, retired people, and people on EI. And how much tax should someone pay before they qualify? $1? $10? $5000? And what happens when wealthy people think Shady shouldn't vote because he doesn't pay 'enough' taxes. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
cybercoma Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Depending on "income'. they get a GST refund.Are you under the impression that it's 100% GST refund? And what about excise taxes on fuel, alcohol, cigarettes, etc? If one thing is certain, it's that every last Canadian pays taxes in some way. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 I actually do think that only tax payers should be able to vote. Tax payers are the only people with real skin in the game so to speak.Yeah. I think you should advocate for putting that system in place. It will be amazing when the disenfranchised burn parliament to the ground. Quote
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