Big Guy Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Calgary has decided to publicize its coming gay pride parade by decorating one of their public transit buses in pride colors and gay symbols. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/calgary-bus-driver-will-quit-job-if-forced-to-take-the-wheel-of-rainbow-pride-bus/article26139593/ Transit drivers are assigned by the corporation and one of the drivers has said that he will not drive that bus even if he is dismissed. The union supports the driver the municipality does not. Should this driver lose his job if he refuses to drive that bus? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Topaz Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Couldn't they find a driver that doesn't mind driving it? Quote
Bryan Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Should this driver lose his job if he refuses to drive that bus? No, and he should sue them if they even suggest that they might. Quote
socialist Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 He shouldn't be fired. neither should an atheist bus driver if s/he was asked to drive a bus covered with writings fro the Koran. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 No one is asking him to become gay, they are simply asking him to do his job. Unless he can somehow present the idea that the paint job is in some way a safety issue, he should either do his job, or lose his job. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 He should shut his yap and do his job. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) From the article - "Doug Morgan, director of Calgary Transit, says drivers can only refuse to work based on safety issues. “What we would do is open a dialogue with them and chat with them and ask them about their issues and making sure we’re being sensitive to their beliefs, but overall the service has to go out and we would ask them to drive the bus,” Morgan said." It sounds like this guy will just do the easy thing and the right thing a just find people who don't mind driving it. If he assigns somebody who has clearly stated he would prefer to not drive it, then he's really just seeking out problems. I think the GandM is just looking for somebody to hate on. Edited August 28, 2015 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Moonlight Graham Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 No one is asking him to become gay, they are simply asking him to do his job....he should either do his job, or lose his job. Exactly. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Mighty AC Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) My first impulse was to say...just find a non-homophobic employee to drive that bus, but it does raise an interesting question. Should drivers be able to refuse to pilot buses containing any advertising they disagree with? For example would it be acceptable for me to boycott a bus containing a Christian message or an 'ethical oil' ad? Probably not. I don't think advertising, on buses, cabs, billboards or benches for causes I disagree with infringe on my personal rights. Other religions, beliefs and view points that I find false, really do exist; yet, ads for those topics don't prevent me from holding opposing beliefs. In short, the guy should have to drive the bus but he should feel free to avoid having sex with or marrying other men. Ironic that this ad exists considering that our current government sells billions worth of arms to terrorist supporters and is almost completely out of the peacekeeping game.. Edited August 28, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
overthere Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 I don't know why the guy would want to work for a transit system that endorses Satan. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
msj Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 This type of thing always makes me think of those white police (or was it National Guard?) who escorted black children to de-segregated schools way back when. Man, that was/is professional! This bus driver is obviously not professional and should be dismissed at once. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Moonlight Graham Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 The thing is, the bus isn't endorsing gay marriage or anything else other than advertising the gay pride parade and rainbow colours. The driver objects to the very expression that homosexuals be proud of the sexual orientation they can't help having. Homosexuality is scientifically natural, and has been observed in over 500 animal species. This wouldn't be any different than a driver refusing to drive a bus advertising black pride day. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
overthere Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 This bus driver is obviously not professional and should be dismissed at once. What for? He hasn't refused any assignments, just said he would. And I doubt Calgary Transit would now pick him our of hundreds of staff for this assignment, that would be provocative. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
msj Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 What for? He hasn't refused any assignments, just said he would. And I doubt Calgary Transit would now pick him our of hundreds of staff for this assignment, that would be provocative. Fair enough - presumably he will not have been assigned to drive the bus and presumably the situation will be defused by ensuring he is not assigned the bus (how they assign buses I don't know). However, when someone is assigned to drive that bus and then refuses to drive it for other than safety concerns then that person should be dismissed at once. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 I don't know what the police/National Guardsmen did back when schools were de-segregated. Maybe back then some of them whined too and did not have to protect those black kids from those angry white parents. Who knows? I like to think that some of these officers/guardsmen would protect the children during the day and then attend the monthly KKK meeting at the end of the month but now I'm just being hopelessly nostalgic. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
WestCoastRunner Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 This reminds me of the postal workers who refused to deliver pamphlets that displayed pics of aborted fetuses. And the union sided with them. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
overthere Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 This reminds me of the postal workers who refused to deliver pamphlets that displayed pics of aborted fetuses. And the union sided with them. Imagine a union backing its members no matter what they say or do. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
WestCoastRunner Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 and this is the most important point in this discussion. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 Calgary has decided to publicize its coming gay pride parade by decorating one of their public transit buses in pride colors and gay symbols. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/calgary-bus-driver-will-quit-job-if-forced-to-take-the-wheel-of-rainbow-pride-bus/article26139593/ Transit drivers are assigned by the corporation and one of the drivers has said that he will not drive that bus even if he is dismissed. The union supports the driver the municipality does not. Should this driver lose his job if he refuses to drive that bus? Fire the loaf. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Fire the loaf. They can't. Unions! At one time I thought unions were useful. Not so much anymore. Edited August 28, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
cybercoma Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) As an atheist, I don't want to drive any buses that have advertising for churches or religious organizations inside or outside of them. If I was a bus driver, can I refuse to do my job too? Edited August 28, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 I guess my question would be; How did the G&M find this guy if he hasn't actually filed a work refusal? Seems this guy says he'll quit but I'm betting he called in his newspaper shield so he wouldn't have to. They can't help but accomodate him. One bus to avoid is no big deal. Secondarily......what difference does it make if it's on the bus? Calgary Transit took their money and endorses Gay Pride. How can he in good faith continue to work for these sin-abetters? Maybe the commune baptist trolley is more in line with his values. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 I don't know what the police/National Guardsmen did back when schools were de-segregated. Maybe back then some of them whined too and did not have to protect those black kids from those angry white parents. Who knows? I like to think that some of these officers/guardsmen would protect the children during the day and then attend the monthly KKK meeting at the end of the month but now I'm just being hopelessly nostalgic. Actually, the Governor used the Arkansas National Guard to enforce segregation, it was the use of Federal troops (101st airborne) by President Eisenhower that upheld the Supreme court ruling.......... Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 I guess my question would be; How did the G&M find this guy if he hasn't actually filed a work refusal? Seems this guy says he'll quit but I'm betting he called in his newspaper shield so he wouldn't have to. They can't help but accomodate him. One bus to avoid is no big deal. Secondarily......what difference does it make if it's on the bus? Calgary Transit took their money and endorses Gay Pride. How can he in good faith continue to work for these sin-abetters? Maybe the commune baptist trolley is more in line with his values. None of this is even news anyway. This is simply the G&M pointing out another "homophobic" christian. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Moonlight Graham Posted August 28, 2015 Report Posted August 28, 2015 This reminds me of the postal workers who refused to deliver pamphlets that displayed pics of aborted fetuses. And the union sided with them. You're right. It's not their job to be political. Their job is to deliver the mail. If they don't want that job, see ya! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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