-1=e^ipi Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 interviewing drunken irish men, you're just asking for it. I think this counts as victim blaming. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rape+culture So that just gets me: Rape culture is a concept within feminist theory in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. Rape is neither normalized nor pervasive within our culture. Regardless of whatever made up feminist statistics such as the 1 in 4 rape statistic you have. Unless of course you completely redefine rape to the point of absurdity (I've seen some feminists expanding the definition to include 'eye rape' and 'twitter rape'). In that case, can you define rape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 So that just gets me: Rape culture is a concept within feminist theory in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. Rape is neither normalized nor pervasive within our culture. Regardless of whatever made up feminist statistics such as the 1 in 4 rape statistic you have. Unless of course you completely redefine rape to the point of absurdity (I've seen some feminists expanding the definition to include 'eye rape' and 'twitter rape'). In that case, can you define rape? So you've never heard a rape joke or known anyone who's been raped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 So you've never heard a rape joke or known anyone who's been raped. The existence of a joke or knowing someone who's been raped doesn't define a culture. They key word is pervasive. Also, I've seen feminists make 'rape jokes' while trying to bring awareness to 'rape culture'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Bad humour is just bad humor. Has nothing to do with sexism. No? What does the term "pussy" mean to you when used in the same sentence as the F word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 So you've never heard a rape joke or known anyone who's been raped. Actually most rape jokes I know of, in popular culture, involve men in prison. Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) The existence of a joke or knowing someone who's been raped doesn't define a culture. They key word is pervasive. OK, define the threshold for pervasive. 1 in 10? 1 in 25? 1 in 100? Also, I've seen feminists make 'rape jokes' while trying to bring awareness to 'rape culture'. And surely you're smart enough to understand the difference between making fun of rape culture and making a joke out of actual rape. Actually most rape jokes I know of, in popular culture, involve men in prison. Just sayin' The point stands. Prison rape is a form that is both pervasive and normalized. Edited May 13, 2015 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) The point stands. Prison rape is a form that is both pervasive and normalized. It's just highlighted as a consequence of crime. And that's not the element of rape that people are concerned about. John Oliver makes mention of it here. I'm sorry, the egg one made me LOL. I will concede, as noted in the OP, that it appears that there's a generation coming up of males in their 20's that do appear to see rape as no bid deal. See the St. Mary's Video, See Jamis Winston, And of course see the topic of this thread. Now it's possible that this state of mind always existed for young men, and the internet is just now highlighting it for the public. But if not, I'm unsure of the cause. Because in my formative years I certainly never noticed an obvious "rape culture". And I'm still classified as a Millenial. Edited May 13, 2015 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 It's just highlighted as a consequence of crime. And that's not the element of rape that people are concerned about. Right and people never talk about, let's call it "legitimate rape" as a consequence of behaviour, right? I will concede, as noted in the OP, that it appears that there's a generation coming up of males in their 20's that do appear to see rape as no bid deal. See the St. Mary's Video, See Jamis Winston, And of course see the topic of this thread. Now it's possible that this state of mind always existed for young men, and the internet is just now highlighting it for the public. But if not, I'm unsure of the cause. Because in my formative years I certainly never noticed an obvious "rape culture". And I'm still classified as a Millenial. I think it's one of those things that people don't notice until it's articulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 So maybe hardcore pornography would be an appropriate venue to spew forth the FHRITP? I think one of my ex gfs had said once FMRITP (the M is to ME). Only because she was not into GFITA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) You asked who raises people like that. She gave a pretty straightforward answer. If you think the shoe fits though, that sounds like a personal issue. It is, concerning another post she made on the issue in another thread. And I made a pretty straightforward request. Simple enough. I'm not sure what you mean by the shoe fitting, given your lack of knowledge on the subject with regards to my views is shown by the fact you did not know that that was what I was referring to. Edited May 13, 2015 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 So maybe hardcore pornography would be an appropriate venue to spew forth the FHRITP? I think one of my ex gfs had said once FMRITP (the M is to ME). Only because she was not into GFITA.There's hardly any difference at all between your girlfriend asking you to FHIRTP and you shouting it at a complete stranger in the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) It is, concerning another post she made on the issue in another thread. And I made a pretty straightforward request. Simple enough. I'm not sure what you mean by the shoe fitting, given your lack of knowledge on the subject with regards to my views is shown by the fact you did not know that that was what I was referring to. I don't know why you would think she was referring to you in an off handed way. That's all. Why would you wear it if it's not about you? Edited May 13, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 I don't know why you would think she was referring to you in an off handed way. That's all. Why would you wear it if it's not about you? I guess you just missed the other post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 There's hardly any difference at all between your girlfriend asking you to FHIRTP and you shouting it at a complete stranger in the street. None of these guys are shouting it at the interviewer, they're shouting it at the camera. BTW- how did this become a rape thread? It's FHRITP, not FHRITPWPC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 None of these guys are shouting it at the interviewer, they're shouting it at the camera. BTW- how did this become a rape thread? It's FHRITP, not FHRITPWPC. So you can insult a whole gender and shout anything you want as long as you don't look one of them in the the eye while you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Just because someone is within earshot, doesn't mean you're addressing them. They're clearly not shouting that at the reporter. You do realize that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Just because someone is within earshot, doesn't mean you're addressing them. They're clearly not shouting that at the reporter. You do realize that right? Uh, who do you think they are addressing when they shout into a camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Well, if they're saying "fuck her right in the pussy", I assume they're addressing other men...maybe lesbians to a lesser extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Well, if they're saying "fuck her right in the pussy", I assume they're addressing other men...maybe lesbians to a lesser extent. No reason at all that any women watching should offended by that. None at all. Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 As a man, I'm offended by these idiots. But, let's face it, it's hooliganism. Sure, it's sexist, but it's not rage inducing sexism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 As a man, I'm offended by these idiots. But, let's face it, it's hooliganism. Sure, it's sexist, but it's not rage inducing sexism. How do you know? I think there has to be a certain amount of rage involved in this kind of behaviour, at minimum a high degree of contempt. Where do you draw the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 ... We forget that the specific phrase is somewhat peripheral to the fact that these women are being hampered from carrying our their jobs with a reasonable expectation of not being harassed. Remember that this happens to them pretty much every work day, and sometimes more than once per day. This is NOT a "...one-off, ho hum, ignore and carry on...".... How would you like somebody pulling your chair out from under you at least once a day at work?.... every day?... sometimes twice a day?... especially during your important presentations to clients?... After two years of that, would that be rage-inducing? ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 ... We forget that the specific phrase is somewhat peripheral to the fact that these women are being hampered from carrying our their jobs with a reasonable expectation of not being harassed. Remember that this happens to them pretty much every work day, and sometimes more than once per day. This is NOT a "...one-off, ho hum, ignore and carry on...".... How would you like somebody pulling your chair out from under you at least once a day at work?.... every day?... sometimes twice a day?... especially during your important presentations to clients?... After two years of that, would that be rage-inducing? ... I think you meant to say "people", because males get the treatment just as often as females. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I think you meant to say "people", because males get the treatment just as often as females. Sure, I accept that.... although "just as often" is probably a stretch, though I freely admit that I have no numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Ok, if we can accept that the numbers of women to men reporters are pretty close, then we have to accept that it's not sexism toward the reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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