Canada and Syria at war

[Rue]

Ghost Hacked from day one I have criticized Obama for having created ISIL. I have stated he Morsi, and Erdogan are squarely to blame for their creation. Where have you been hmmm? Don't pull that with me. You know what I wrote.

Obama is a bloody Muslim Brotherhood terrorist apologist who has blood on his hands. The American people know it and will do something about it. Until then don't come on this forum and act like you've never heard that before from me or Argus or Bush or JBG or so many others. This is the very Obama who now supports Iran and unfroze $150 billion to it and you better believe Iran will use that to try incinerate Israel and other nations through terrorist attacks.

Edited September 21, 2015 by Rue

[Moonlight Graham]

Ghost Hacked from day one I have criticized Obama for having created ISIL. I have stated he Morsi, and Erdogan are squarely to blame for their creation. Where have you been hmmm? Don't pull that with me. You know what I wrote.

ISIL was around before Obama even became President. Obama leaving Iraq only allowed ISIL to expand further. How do you not give some of the blame to Iraqi PM al-Malaki for isolating Sunnis and removing their political representation in Iraq's government? How do you not blame W. Bush? Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's, a Jordanian, created the precursor group in 1999 with the goal of overthrowing the Jordanian government because they were "apostates". Again, a regional problem to be dealt with by regional powers. W. Bush made him bring the group to Iraq, and in 2004 swore allegiance to al-Qaeda & they changed their name to al-Qaeda in Iraq. In 2006 they merged with others and changed their name to Islamic State of Iraq.

I'm curious to how you think Morsi and Erdogan factored into the creation of ISIL?

Maybe Obama and the US should have militarily occupied Iraq until it became an internally peaceful democracy and where Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds all got along and had fair political agency & representation...so basically, another few centuries if ever. Winning strategy!

Edited September 21, 2015 by Moonlight Graham

[bush_cheney2004]

...Maybe Obama and the US should have militarily occupied Iraq until it became an internally peaceful democracy and where Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds all got along and had fair political agency & representation...so basically, another few centuries if ever. Winning strategy!

That was the U.S. strategy for Iraq, but a continuing status of forces agreement could not be reached, so U.S. departed in late 2011 as requested. U.S. forces continue to occupy Germany, Japan, and South Korea after more than 50 years....half a century.

[eyeball]

It is also being reported that Russian drones are now in the skies over Syria. So over Syria we now have American fighters, Canadian fighters, American drones, Russian drones and Turkish fighters looking for Kurds (good guys to us).

Must be getting pretty busy in those skies.

With any luck the the real enemies in this squabble will finally recognize each other for what they are and settle their stupid differences once and for all.

[Rue]

ISIL was not around before Obama was President that is absolutely false. It broke off of Al Quaeda only after Obama had been in power. Go do your homework Moonlight. Also you are curious how Erdogan, Morsi and Obama figured in the creation of ISILÉ Right. Moonlight, if you can not make an effort to go find out the origins of ISIL and its connection to those 3 idiots and their allegiance to the Muslim Brotherhood, go find out. . If I explain it, oh well my posts are too long and no one reads them. If I do not you manifest a total ignorance of the origins of ISIL and what. I already in many posts explained the origins of ISIL. You choose not to read them-do not come now and pretend you would. You clearly are prepared to make statements about ISIL without looking up their actual origin and the time line for when Obama and Erdogan trained their mercenaries who then turned on them because they both sided with Iran in Iraaq while at the same time expected ISIL to take out Assad. Where were youÉ Evidently sleeping. Who ISIL be sent to Libya. Who ISIL break from Al Quaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood....yah you are curious.

Edited September 22, 2015 by Rue

[WIP]

As for WIP well you have to love his lack of logic. If Canada is licking the US's ass, why does Canada refuse to cowtow to Iran like Obama does? Hmmm? Well WIP?

Oh! And what is Canada going to do about it? Are we going to join Israel and bomb Iran...and if so, with what? NOOOO, because we're part of The Empire, and so is Israel! Israel has a lot more clout in Washington than Canada does, hence trying to disrupt the political process there, but ultimately, Israel has to fall in line! Any questions?

Edited September 23, 2015 by WIP

[GostHacked]

Ghost Hacked from day one I have criticized Obama for having created ISIL. I have stated he Morsi, and Erdogan are squarely to blame for their creation. Where have you been hmmm? Don't pull that with me. You know what I wrote.

Obama is a bloody Muslim Brotherhood terrorist apologist who has blood on his hands. The American people know it and will do something about it. Until then don't come on this forum and act like you've never heard that before from me or Argus or Bush or JBG or so many others. This is the very Obama who now supports Iran and unfroze $150 billion to it and you better believe Iran will use that to try incinerate Israel and other nations through terrorist attacks.

Do you ever read my posts aside from picking out things to call me anti-jew? If you had, you'd know what my stances are on Obama ect and the creation of ISIL.

[dre]

ISIL was not around before Obama was President that is absolutely false. It broke off of Al Quaeda only after Obama had been in power. Go do your homework Moonlight.

No thats not even vaguely close to true. ISILs origions are in Iraq as ISI under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. It started sending fighters into Syria in 2011, who became the Al Nusra front. ISI was an Alqeada affiliate at the time, and the Al Nusra front was to be Alqeada in Syria. In April 2013, ISI announced the merger of the ISI with al-Nusra Front (more of a re-uniting than a merger since ISI and al-Baghdadi created al-Nusra in the first place) and announced that the name of the reunited group was now the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). Alqeada rejected the announcement and cut ties with ISIL at that time.

Youre spouting abject nonsense that anyone could debunk with an internet connection and 5 minutes of time. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE that takes anything but a cursory glance at the origins of this group will tell you the exact same thing.

Roots in Iraq

ISIL has its origins in the Iraq War of 2003–11. Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), its direct precursor, was one of the central actors in a larger Sunni insurgency against the Iraqi government and foreign occupying forces. Under the leadership of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, AQI was responsible for some of the most spectacular and brutal attacks of that conflict. Shortly after Zarqawi’s death in 2006, the group combined with several smaller extremist groups and renamed itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), a change that reflected the group’s efforts to hold and control territory as well as its ambition to obtain universal leadership of the Islamic community. The group’s activities were greatly diminished when many of the Sunni tribes of western Iraq turned against it, however, beginning in 2007. The reasons for that reversal included the ISI fighters’ harsh treatment of the populace in areas under their control and a new counterinsurgency strategy that paid Sunni tribal leaders not to participate in attacks. AQI/ISI was also weakened by the loss of several of its senior leaders in attacks by U.S. and Iraqi forces. In 2010 leadership of the group was taken over by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (birth name: Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai), a militant recently released from a five-year detention in a U.S.-run prison in southern Iraq.

The strongly sectarian cast of Iraqi politics, and specifically the repression of Sunnis carried out by the administration of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki under the guise of fighting al-Qaeda and remnants of the Baʿth regime, ensured that the Sunni areas of western Iraq remained fertile ground for extremism. The sharpening of Sunni discontent, coupled with the gradual withdrawal of foreign troops, allowed AQI/ISI to make a recovery beginning about 2011, and bombings by Sunni extremists once again became a frequent occurrence.

The Syrian theatre

The civil war in Syria, which began as an uprising against the regime of Syrian Pres. Bashar al-Assad in early 2011, provided new opportunities for AQI/ISI, whose fighters could easily cross from Iraq into eastern Syria. By late 2012 the assortment of mostly secular rebel groups that had been the mainstay of the armed opposition appeared to be weakening as a result of infighting and exhaustion, and Islamist forces took on a more prominent role. Those included the Islamic Front, an alliance of local Islamist rebel groups; the Nusrah Front, a network aligned with the central faction of al-Qaeda led by Ayman al-Zawahiri; and fighters loyal to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. In April 2013 Baghdadi announced his intention to combine his forces in Iraq and Syria with the Nusrah Front under the name Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). The merger was rejected by the Nusrah Front; the split put the two groups in competition, especially for recruits, and eventually resulted in open fighting.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Islamic-State-in-Iraq-and-the-Levant

Obama was a community organiser in Chicago when this group was born.

Obama is a bloody Muslim Brotherhood terrorist apologist who has blood on his hands.

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Edited September 25, 2015 by dre

[Big Guy]

If the coalition of which Harper has made us a member, anticipates that the fall of Assad is necessary for the resolution of that chaos in the Middle East then we are in trouble.

Russia has just come down on the side of Assad so if we intend to go after Assad we better be prepared to go to war against Russia.

It ain't gonna happen!

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/russia-troops-syria-stop-imminent-fall-assad-150926180925801.html

Time for Canadian airplanes and troops to get out of that region before we get into a shooting war with Russia!

What the hell are we doing in Syria anyway?

Edited September 27, 2015 by Big Guy

[eyeball]

What the hell are we doing in Syria anyway?

A cheesy 2nd rate pole dance on the global stage.

[Rue]

You are something Dre. You proved my point and call it false. Lol. ISIL did not exist until after he was elected. Before then it was only Al Quaeda. Painful. Bloody painful.

[Rue]

Someone explain to Dre the difference between Aqi, AL Quaeda, ISIS, ISIL. He seems to think they are all one and the same. Painful, Just painful.

[Rue]

Ghost your position on Obama has nothing to do with your comments showing ignorance for the law of return. Don't pose as a victim to me. When you make comments that ridicule the struggle of Jews to have survived you will be challenged. Its a debate forum. If you feel hard done by go speak to a Rabbia about me.

[GostHacked]

Someone explain to Dre the difference between Aqi, AL Quaeda, ISIS, ISIL. He seems to think they are all one and the same. Painful, Just painful.

They are all the same. They are terrorist organizations.

Ghost your position on Obama has nothing to do with your comments showing ignorance for the law of return. Don't pose as a victim to me. When you make comments that ridicule the struggle of Jews to have survived you will be challenged. Its a debate forum. If you feel hard done by go speak to a Rabbia about me.

Why would I waste my time talking to a Rabbi about you? I don't pose myself as a victim. But you seem to act like one every time I make a post.

So when you gonna call out Canada_First for wanting to nuke the whole area? I thought you were against extremist views?

[WIP]

Ghost your position on Obama has nothing to do with your comments showing ignorance for the law of return. Don't pose as a victim to me. When you make comments that ridicule the struggle of Jews to have survived you will be challenged. Its a debate forum. If you feel hard done by go speak to a Rabbia about me.

And, when Israel is a major arms dealer and weapons lab for the US and allied governments, Israel has no legitimacy pulling out the holocaust card to justify killing, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid policies against Arabs.

The Law of Return is a sham that can't be squared with any legitimate democratic government! There are still Palestinians alive who were forced out of their homes when the modern state of Israel was set up, where's their law of return?

[Rue]

I will call out people as extremist as soon as you show me how Ghost. You come on this forum supporting anti Israeli and anti American extremists and then you ask me to? Lol. Go speak to a Rabbia about that as well.

[Big Guy]

Looks like Israel is now prepared to agitate in Syria.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/israel-strikes-syria-golan-heights-150927200119081.html

Reports are that some wonky rockets from Syria accidently hit parts of the Golan Heights in Israel. "Israeli army spokesman Peter Lerner said that two rockets - one on Saturday and a second on Sunday evening - were "misfired" into the Israeli-occupied territory. Neither rocket resulted in any injuries or damages."​

With the Russians now in force in Syria and Canadians airplanes dropping bombs in Syria all we need now is the Israelis to get involved and take out some Russian military.

Harper - get our men and women out of there before those in the region get us involved in a third world war!

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Harper - get our men and women out of there before those in the region get us involved in a third world war!

Are you kidding, this all must be shaping up like the Final Days in Harper's mind, he wants a ring-side seat.

[dre]

Someone explain to Dre the difference between Aqi, AL Quaeda, ISIS, ISIL. He seems to think they are all one and the same. Painful, Just painful.

Thats not what I said.. I explained the relationship between those groups earlier in the thread. In case you missed it... ISIL is not a new group, its an existing group that expanded into Syria and simply added an L to the end of their name.

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ISIL was not around before Obama was President that is absolutely false. It broke off of Al Quaeda only after Obama had been in power. Go do your homework Moonlight.

No thats not even vaguely close to true. ISILs origions are in Iraq as ISI under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. It started sending fighters into Syria in 2011, who became the Al Nusra front. ISI was an Alqeada affiliate at the time, and the Al Nusra front was to be Alqeada in Syria. In April 2013, ISI announced the merger of the ISI with al-Nusra Front (more of a re-uniting than a merger since ISI and al-Baghdadi created al-Nusra in the first place) and announced that the name of the reunited group was now the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). Alqeada rejected the announcement and cut ties with ISIL at that time.

Youre spouting abject nonsense that anyone could debunk with an internet connection and 5 minutes of time. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE that takes anything but a cursory glance at the origins of this group will tell you the exact same thing.

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Roots in Iraq

ISIL has its origins in the Iraq War of 2003–11. Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), its direct precursor, was one of the central actors in a larger Sunni insurgency against the Iraqi government and foreign occupying forces. Under the leadership of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, AQI was responsible for some of the most spectacular and brutal attacks of that conflict. Shortly after Zarqawi’s death in 2006, the group combined with several smaller extremist groups and renamed itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), a change that reflected the group’s efforts to hold and control territory as well as its ambition to obtain universal leadership of the Islamic community. The group’s activities were greatly diminished when many of the Sunni tribes of western Iraq turned against it, however, beginning in 2007. The reasons for that reversal included the ISI fighters’ harsh treatment of the populace in areas under their control and a new counterinsurgency strategy that paid Sunni tribal leaders not to participate in attacks. AQI/ISI was also weakened by the loss of several of its senior leaders in attacks by U.S. and Iraqi forces. In 2010 leadership of the group was taken over by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (birth name: Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai), a militant recently released from a five-year detention in a U.S.-run prison in southern Iraq.

The strongly sectarian cast of Iraqi politics, and specifically the repression of Sunnis carried out by the administration of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki under the guise of fighting al-Qaeda and remnants of the Baʿth regime, ensured that the Sunni areas of western Iraq remained fertile ground for extremism. The sharpening of Sunni discontent, coupled with the gradual withdrawal of foreign troops, allowed AQI/ISI to make a recovery beginning about 2011, and bombings by Sunni extremists once again became a frequent occurrence.

The Syrian theatre

The civil war in Syria, which began as an uprising against the regime of Syrian Pres. Bashar al-Assad in early 2011, provided new opportunities for AQI/ISI, whose fighters could easily cross from Iraq into eastern Syria. By late 2012 the assortment of mostly secular rebel groups that had been the mainstay of the armed opposition appeared to be weakening as a result of infighting and exhaustion, and Islamist forces took on a more prominent role. Those included the Islamic Front, an alliance of local Islamist rebel groups; the Nusrah Front, a network aligned with the central faction of al-Qaeda led by Ayman al-Zawahiri; and fighters loyal to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. In April 2013 Baghdadi announced his intention to combine his forces in Iraq and Syria with the Nusrah Front under the name Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). The merger was rejected by the Nusrah Front; the split put the two groups in competition, especially for recruits, and eventually resulted in open fighting.

http://www.britannic...-and-the-Levant

Obama was a community organiser in Chicago when this group was born.

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Obama is a bloody Muslim Brotherhood terrorist apologist who has blood on his hands.

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[GostHacked]

I will call out people as extremist as soon as you show me how Ghost. You come on this forum supporting anti Israeli and anti American extremists and then you ask me to? Lol. Go speak to a Rabbia about that as well.

Yeah I knew you could not do it. Shall we move on?

[Big Guy]

The Russians had given the USA and Israel an hours warning to get out of Syrian airspace where the Russians were going. They attacked and destroyed Syrian anti-Assad rebel bases.

About an hour ago, Putin gave the reasons: "Syria is the issue here. The only real way to fight international terrorism is to take the initiative and fight and destroy the terrorists in the territory they have already captured rather than waiting for them to arrive on our soil."

Holy Batman! Is that not the same rationale that Harper used to get us involved in Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria?

I seem to remember, "We fight then there or we will be fighting them here?"

Looks like Putin and Harper have the same public relations writer.

[Rue]

Dre you are absolutely wrong. All Nusra is and has always been part of Al Quaeda. At the time you said ISIS existed it was still part of Al Quaeda and had not broken off yet. You can try change history but the time lines speak for themselves. But do keep lecturing. ISIL/ISIS is the result of a break away cell from Al Quaeda which was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and its front men Obama, Erdogan and Morsi approached it to help them find a unit to take down Libya. These idiots did not think it would turn on them just as Obama now tries to get into bed with Iran which ridicules him. This is the same Obama who tried to get into bed with Putin threatening to unilaterally disclose French and British nuclear missile sites to get a deal with him.

You Dre need to go back to school and learn to read before you play Rabbia with a congregation. At least make an effort to find out how ISIS originated. and why. It only splintered when Obama tried to tell Al Quaeda to only fight in Syria and ignore the slaughter of Sunnis in Iraq. Obama being the idiot he was thought he could get Sunni extremists to commit to Syria while ignoring the very same enemy slaughter Sunnis in Iraq.

Make an effort to find out who the man is you quote, who he split with, the date he split and why. It has everything to do with Obama and sweet phack all about Bush.

Bush's mistake was having a Vice President and Defence Secretary conflicted with Haliburton obtaining for that company trillions in contracts in Iraq forcing the US to set up an occupation to protect these contracts. The US Armed Forces told Bus to get the troops out and Bush created a parallel private army in Iraq out numbering the regular armed forces by like 10 to 1.

Bush's ground occupation was a military mistake. Had he listened to his own armed forces, the situation in Iraq would have been far different. Bush did not ever support or get into bed with Iran, Al Quaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah or fund Muslim fundamentalist terrorists. He did prop a corrupt regime in Afghanistan and another in Iraq as a lesser of two evils and both those allies had untrained idiots who killed civilians yes but to compare the Bush regime to Obama, then try recreate history to have ISIS exist when Bush was involved is a bloody joke. They were still Al Quaeda and Dre if you can't figure out Al Nusra and Al Quaeda are the same go home and come back after a night's sleep.

[Rue]

Holy Batman? Once again Big Guy selects snap shots from history when its convenient to him. Then again he came on this forum and says he only reads and relieson Al Jazeer or is that Al Braziere. I always spell that rag's name wrong.

Of course Big Guy can't remember the role of Russia as puppet master of Egypt, Iraq, Syria. He can't remember its invasion of Afghanistan. Its meddlings in Sudan, Yemen, Iran, no mention. Its assistance to both Iraq and Iran in engaging in attempted genocide of Kurds, hey no problem. We just skip all that. tee hee, Russia is imitating the West. Hee hee.

Putin has now involved himself in Syria because in the last six month as some of Assad's own generals turned on him which happens with great regularity. Putin is committed to Assad. He can not allow a coups internally and a new general to take over and form an alliance between Syria and the West. That would shut out Putin and the West has been wooing some of Assad's inner generals to take him out. Rumours of unsuccessful attempts to kill Assad by his own inner circle are rampant. Its an occupational hazard of being a tyrant. Putin is heavily invested in a naval base in Syria stay with direct proximity to huge oil deposits found off the coast of Cyprus and Israel which would if accessed undercut Russia's own oil exports.

Putin is committed and has always been committed to prop Assad to protect the Russian naval base and to assure oil from Iraq which interestingly Russia and China now extract to get to Russia and China. Putin does the dirt work while the highly manipulative and down right brilliant Chinese formed a naval alliance with Israel pledging to protect it which was also a sign to Israel's naval ally Greece which is committed with Israel to protect those oil deposits , that all is well, and Russia will keep its good friend Turkey away from that oil in return for Israel standing down.

Russia and China are not the worry to Egyp, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia as Iran for that mater Turkey is . Russia and China are seen by them as capable of controlling Iran and Turkey to an extent.

Putin wouldn't unilaterally do what he did. He had meetings with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey months ago.

Only an idiot would think he would give an hour's notice. He's been planning this for over two years.

His envoys would have spoken to many countries in the ME a long time ago about his intentions and as a direct response providing an alternative as to what all these countries see as failed Obama policies getting even worse.

Putin is trying to show Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel and Jordan who feel betrayed by Obama over Iran, that there is another sheriff in town who can stabilize Syria and keep control of Iran.

I think the countries I mentioned are waiting for a US Republican President hoping he will restore previous US foreign policy and in the meantime appreciate that in the absence of American leadership, Russia and China by default had to step in which is not their preference.

I think they do not trust Putin but do not see him as big a problem as Obama. Everyone shares a disliking of Obama and Kerry. But that is where it ends. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Israel and the Gulf States are not anti American, just anti Obama and they see only Germany, Britain and France in Europe with air forces capable of doing anything but they know Germany for other reasons can't arm itself into war. France's latest intervention is seen as crucial to paralyzing ISIL as Obama's air war has become a farse-it is a fake p.r. exercise to make Americans think Democrats are tough on the very terrorists he created and tried to get into bed with to salvage a Clinton run at the Presidency.

Putin is a bloody egomaniac but smart as a whip. He is not about to shoot down by accident any French or American jets. He will only fly into villages and kill innocent civilians for Assad. Its not Russia's style to fight anyone but unarmed civilians. He's another Mussolini-a pompous peacock with a tiny pee pee trying to show Bam Bam Obama who has the bigger missile. He will take advantage of the idiot Obama to flex his ego yet again.

Putin uses Syria as well as a counter response to Ukraine where Russian forces are bogged down and have been unable to seize all of Ukraine which was his original plan, install a puppet dictator back in Ukraine to assure any oil from Crimea does not undercut Russian economic control and compromise its oil exports and to keep NATO off its doorstep.

Syria air war by NATO air forces is seen as that by Putin. He feels he is in a war with NATP since he feels US, French and British fighters are NATO forces although technically they are not under NATO command.

Putin is now attacking anti Assad rebels not ISIL. If anyone thinks he will make it easy for Obama to get rid of ISIL they are an idiot. He is there to protect Assad. He would be very happy to have Syria fester as long as Assad is in charge and it causes Obama hissy fits.

Putin is flexing because Obama lost Syria and can not do a thing about it. This is just more humiliation against Obama before he leaves. It rubs seeyit literally in Obama's face and secondarily NATO as pay back for what Putin thinks is too much expansion in what he wants to be reincorporated into his new Russian Commonwealth of States.

Putin will not let one Muslim refugee in his country. If he had his way he would wipe out all his Russian Muslims. Russia is at war with its Chechnyan Mulsims and hates them. For that matter China is faced with an internal war with 20 million of its own Muslims. They are not in Syria and Iran over Muslim concern. They are there to counter-balance what they see is an evil US presence and to strategically fight over the oil supply.

Edited October 1, 2015 by Rue

[PIK]

Remember that little video that was leaked with obama and the PM of Russia ,where obama is saying something about he will have more power when he wins the 2nd term. I have always wondered what he meant. I think we know now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326

Edited October 1, 2015 by PIK

[dre]

Holy Batman? Once again

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to strategically fight over the oil supply.

No thats not even vaguely close to true. ISILs origions are in Iraq as ISI under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. It started sending fighters into Syria in 2011, who became the Al Nusra front. ISI was an Alqeada affiliate at the time, and the Al Nusra front was to be Alqeada in Syria. In April 2013, ISI announced the merger of the ISI with al-Nusra Front (more of a re-uniting than a merger since ISI and al-Baghdadi created al-Nusra in the first place) and announced that the name of the reunited group was now the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). Alqeada rejected the announcement and cut ties with ISIL at that time.

Youre spouting abject nonsense that anyone could debunk with an internet connection and 5 minutes of time. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE that takes anything but a cursory glance at the origins of this group will tell you the exact same thing.

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Roots in Iraq

ISIL has its origins in the Iraq War of 2003–11. Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), its direct precursor, was one of the central actors in a larger Sunni insurgency against the Iraqi government and foreign occupying forces. Under the leadership of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, AQI was responsible for some of the most spectacular and brutal attacks of that conflict. Shortly after Zarqawi’s death in 2006, the group combined with several smaller extremist groups and renamed itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), a change that reflected the group’s efforts to hold and control territory as well as its ambition to obtain universal leadership of the Islamic community. The group’s activities were greatly diminished when many of the Sunni tribes of western Iraq turned against it, however, beginning in 2007. The reasons for that reversal included the ISI fighters’ harsh treatment of the populace in areas under their control and a new counterinsurgency strategy that paid Sunni tribal leaders not to participate in attacks. AQI/ISI was also weakened by the loss of several of its senior leaders in attacks by U.S. and Iraqi forces. In 2010 leadership of the group was taken over by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (birth name: Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai), a militant recently released from a five-year detention in a U.S.-run prison in southern Iraq.

The strongly sectarian cast of Iraqi politics, and specifically the repression of Sunnis carried out by the administration of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki under the guise of fighting al-Qaeda and remnants of the Baʿth regime, ensured that the Sunni areas of western Iraq remained fertile ground for extremism. The sharpening of Sunni discontent, coupled with the gradual withdrawal of foreign troops, allowed AQI/ISI to make a recovery beginning about 2011, and bombings by Sunni extremists once again became a frequent occurrence.

The Syrian theatre

The civil war in Syria, which began as an uprising against the regime of Syrian Pres. Bashar al-Assad in early 2011, provided new opportunities for AQI/ISI, whose fighters could easily cross from Iraq into eastern Syria. By late 2012 the assortment of mostly secular rebel groups that had been the mainstay of the armed opposition appeared to be weakening as a result of infighting and exhaustion, and Islamist forces took on a more prominent role. Those included the Islamic Front, an alliance of local Islamist rebel groups; the Nusrah Front, a network aligned with the central faction of al-Qaeda led by Ayman al-Zawahiri; and fighters loyal to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. In April 2013 Baghdadi announced his intention to combine his forces in Iraq and Syria with the Nusrah Front under the name Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). The merger was rejected by the Nusrah Front; the split put the two groups in competition, especially for recruits, and eventually resulted in open fighting.

http://www.britannic...-and-the-Levant

Edited October 1, 2015 by Charles Anthony
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