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Leaving your stumbling language aside for now, I never really made a choice that I know of, I just grew up liking women when it came to intimacy. I can only assume those who felt differently came upon their desires as naturally as did I. So I dont have a problem with them. It seems the righties keep coming up with reasons to hide under their beds. Take a break, youll feel better.

I think the problem you're having is understanding that he's merely talking from a theoretical position of logic. I understand you keep as far away from logic as you can and argue all points based purely on whatever emotional outburst you're feeling at any given moment, but it IS possible to simply discuss things in terms of logical outcomes without insulting anyone, gay or otherwise. This question was posed by Michael Hardner, by the way, that radical homophobic.

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I think the problem you're having is understanding that he's merely talking from a theoretical position of logic. I understand you keep as far away from logic as you can and argue all points based purely on whatever emotional outburst you're feeling at any given moment, but it IS possible to simply discuss things in terms of logical outcomes without insulting anyone, gay or otherwise. This question was posed by Michael Hardner, by the way, that radical homophobic.

We have come to know where the emotional outbursts traditionally come from. I dont use logic or emotion on this topic, simply my own reality.

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We have come to know where the emotional outbursts traditionally come from. I dont use logic or emotion on this topic, simply my own reality.

You don't use logic on any topic, but react emotionally to everyone else's position.

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WTF. Talk about putting words in another member's mouth.

He was the one who asked the question. Therefore, if it's bigoted to ask the question then he is a bigot, right?

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Race ? Sexual preference ? Gender ?

What would you choose ?

Some on another thread were insulted by Shady's statement that nobody would choose to be gay, however given that you can't choose the natural state of these things, strictly speaking, I think I agree with him. But it's a comment on the discrimination that people face based on these classifications, nothing more.

I just saw Larry Wilmore on the Nightly Show ask a panel of black women which they would choose to be and the respondent answered and reaffirmed that she'd be a white man, because she has to do "twice as much to get half the reward".

Yes... white, straight, male. I feel lucky and privileged.

How about you ?

I feel the same as you but can imagine situations where it would be advantageous to be gay. For example, if I had a passion for sailing and wanted to be in the navy...

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I feel the same as you but can imagine situations where it would be advantageous to be gay. For example, if I had a passion for sailing and wanted to be in the navy...

Where can you find pleasure

Search the world for treasure

Learn science technology

Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true

On the land or on the sea

Where can you learn to fly

Play in sports and skin dive

Study oceanography

Sign up for the big band

Or sit in the grandstand

When your team and others meet

In the navy

Yes, you can sail the seven seas

In the navy

Yes, you can put your mind at ease

In the navy

Come on now, people, make a stand

In the navy, in the navy

Can't you see we need a hand

In the navy

Come on, protect the mother land

In the navy

Come on and join your fellow man

In the navy

Come on people, and make a stand

In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy)

They want you, they want you

They want you as a new recruit!

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Natural and normal are different things. Being gay is natural. It isn't normal in a sexual sense, as it serves no purpose.

No purpose? If we were all homosexuals, our species would die out when the level of procreation plummeted. Yes, some homosexuals do have children, but I think it is the exception and not the norm.

So what is the purpose of homosexual humans in our human biology, because all creatures large and small have an evolutionary purpose?

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No purpose? If we were all homosexuals, our species would die out when the level of procreation plummeted. Yes, some homosexuals do have children, but I think it is the exception and not the norm.

So what is the purpose of homosexual humans in our human biology, because all creatures large and small have an evolutionary purpose?

Ummm, what? There is no purpose. That doesn't mean it's a problem societally.

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I am wondering at the implication that the human organisms that are not prone to reproduction have no biological purpose. I don't know what it is, but it would be unusual for there to be none.

I heard a lecture that proposed that homosexual men would be close to women, or could protect women without having a sexual interest in them. The phenomenon is rare enough that you might only have a few such people per tribe.

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I thought my statement was pretty logical. Nobody would choose to be gay because there's no legitimate reasons to. If people get offended by logic and reason, that's their problem.

Well if someone was making that choice from a purely agnostic standpoint, that would mean they have no sexual orientation to start with, and zero bias.

So no... your statement isnt logical at all, in fact its a huge swing and a miss. IF someone was truly agnostic and in a position to choose there are lots of reasons why a man might choose another man as a partner. Men are physically stronger, they earn more money, etc The reality is that the only reason I am attracted to women and not men is because I have a strong genetic pre-disposition. Unless thats taken out of the picture there is no "choice", and if it IS taken out of the pictures theres plenty of legitimate reasons for a man to choose another man as a partner.

I know you think you said something clevery and nuanced, but its really just another Shady blunder.

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I heard a lecture that proposed that homosexual men would be close to women, or could protect women without having a sexual interest in them. The phenomenon is rare enough that you might only have a few such people per tribe.

Ah, like warrior ants. That might work.

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As to the physiological and psychological causes of sexual preference proclivity. I believe that there is both a genetic and environmental factor. All of the research that I have read over the years, while differing in theory, do not differ in the objective observations.

I believe that most of us have a number of genes which when sequenced by a particular trigger will decide if we are gay, straight, or attracted to both genders. I believe the genetic part establishes the genes and the environment is the trigger. Most young people struggle with their sexuality not really knowing their preference until some environmental trigger locks in that preference.

My research had been mostly into male homosexuality and there has always been controversy on the characteristics that are common to most gay men are learned through contact with older gays or are the product in inherent physiology.

There are statistical commonalities as to family structure, strong or weak male role model of gay men as opposed to straight men. Either the statistics are incorrect or these gay males are brought up in an environment which tends to trigger the gay preference.

The relationship between biology and sexual preference is another controversial topic and I believe that most of us have a gay biological component which can become dominant if/when triggered by the right external environment event and\or conditions.

So in a sense we do "choose our ...." but some of us make that choice under the influence of environmental conditions imposed on us at an early age. Most of us have those genes in a different sequence and/or another external trigger activates a preference for the opposite sex.

In summary, I believe that humans are born asexual with many different combinations of genes. I also believe an external environmental trigger cause certain combinations to become active making us gay or straight. The age at which this "choice" is triggered is also still speculative;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-your-child-gay/

It is only a personal opinion based on what I have been able to read on the subject.

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As to the physiological and psychological causes of sexual preference proclivity. I believe that there is both a genetic and environmental factor.

If homosexuality is genetic, then the gene must be recessive. If it was not, then the species would not be reproducing at a rate sufficient to sustain humanity.

And that has never been a problem so far in our relatively brief history on the planet.

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I thought my statement was pretty logical. Nobody would choose to be gay because there's no legitimate reasons to. If people get offended by logic and reason, that's their problem.

Logic and reason are so Age of Enlightenment. We're so far enlightened beyond enlightenment, haven't you figured that out.

We're now in the age of "anything goes" unless it's traditional and pragmatic.

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I would chose to be asexual and female. It is far preferable to be female in this country if you are under the age of 30. More job opportunities, longer life expectancy, lower risk of being assaulted or killed, lower suicide rate, lower unemployment rate, etc.

Edit: Btw, unmarried childless women under the age of 30 out earn unmarried childless men under the age of 30 for urban areas in Canada, USA and Britain.

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