Argus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Regarding Palestine.One statement and two questions: The first thing we have to do to help the region find peace, is to make government lobbyist and their financial contributions to political parties illegal. (in the western countries) That is one of the weirdest non sequiturs I've ever seen on any topic on this web site. Talk about way out there in Left field! Why has ISIS, ISIL, Deash, Al Qaede, Al-Nusra (what ever brand name they are referred to now), these so called radical sunni, hell bent on sharia law, not attacking Israel? Because Israel would kick their collective asses. Why is Iran seemingly the only Islamic nation defending Palestine and countries like Saudi Arabia do/say nothing? Keep in mind that Palestine is largely Sunni, like Saudi, but Iran is largely Shia? Do you know who pays most of the bills for the Palestinian government? The Americans. Europe pays them a ton too. Saudi Arabia is next. Iran only funds weapons. http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000592 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) So what is wrong with people being anti-Jewish? There are many people who are anti-Christian, anti-Protestant, certainly anti-Muslim from what we see here, anti-Sikhism, anti-Hinduism and anti-anything. What is so special about being anti-Jewish? Judaism is ranked only 12 in the world by number of believers. There you have it. Being bigoted against Jews is acceptable since people are bigoted against Christians and Muslims and others. That summarizes everythng one needs to say about Big Guy's positions on this forum, He believes being an anti-semite is acceptable since others are bigoted. Brilliant. Edited February 12, 2016 by Rue
Rue Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) These folks are not posters here. And you obviously have not done your homework. How do you expect to keep up with the rest of the class if you do not do your assignments? It is not as if your homework was a text which would require some understanding of the English language. But a video? Surely you can understand a video created for CNN? Time to stop wasting your time commenting blindly on every and all topics regardless of your understanding of them. I suggest you decide to spend some time researching, reading and viewing. You may find the process to be an eye opening and an enriching exercise. I am looking forward to reading your comments after you have better prepared yourself. It is my opinion you wrote this post to attack Argus personally and I believe the tone of your response is deliberately insulting, patronizing and attempts to try dominate the discussion and control what you think he can express or think. This role of trying to dominate another poster is in my opinion repulsive and I am going to ask this post be removed as derailing the thread and being abusive. Can you debate the actiual topic of the thread. Stop insulting the poster. Also finish your name calling and allegation and passive aggressive insults at readers on this forum. Which posters work for which dark agencies? Who are these dark agents on the forum? Go on provide their names, the agency or agencies they work for and the evidence you obtained for this allegation, otherwise rettract your statement.. You want to call me or anyone else a darkie you will be called out on it for the nonsense that it is. Your false, unsubstantiated, passive aggressive insults have nothing to do with the topic. Edited February 11, 2016 by Rue
Hoser360 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Argus Israeli political lobbyist in the United States has a massive influence over the government and how it comes to the aide of Israel it's self. Without the billions of dollars of US direct financial and military aide I highly doubt Israel would have been able to occupy so much of Palestine as it has. So lobbyist like AIPAC, PACs, CoP, AIEF, WINEP, ADL, FIDF, etc, do have a significant impact on the state of things in Palestine. They also influence the major news networks to give lopsided reports in favor of Israel. ISIS and friends are proxy armies for the Zionist regime and if they for some reason defeat Syria (Assad) then they are on their way to Iran. The amount of donations that Palestine receives from the US is chump change compared to what Israel receive.
Big Guy Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 The Israelis continue to pout the squeeze on the defenceless Palestinians In the open prison called Gaza: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/palestinians-571m-emergency-services-160211055214546.html When is the UN going to denounce this action as a genocide and unacceptable treatment of people. Time for Canada to denounce these actions and separate ourselves from anything to do with Israel. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
kactus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Certain cliches? What cliche's might those be? You mean the ones about Iran torturing and executing more people than any other nation on Earth save China? The one where Iran is number one in the world in the execution of children? Maybe the cliche you don't like is the one where Iran supports international terrorism and sends troops, organizers, weapons and money throughout the middle east to destabilize other governments? Which of those do you think I should ignore because the Iranian people are "lovely'?Ah pull the other one Argus...If it wasn't the nuclear issue there is always the human rights card to pull out of the bag and blame Iran. It is as if you cared about Iranian people to talk about their human rights record now...not!Let's get back to the topic. How about the brutal treatment of Israehellis of palestinians? Demolishing their houses, torturing and killing innocents? Are they also cliches? lol Edited February 11, 2016 by kactus
kactus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Israel is building settlements in the occupied territories because: Your post misses the word 'illegal' settlements! As for the rest of the comment I won'n't bother leaving it here. But let me tell you this for as long as Israel continues with her belligerent policies, then there should be no complain about missiles landing on its door step.... You can't have it both ways supporting these policies of bibi hell bent on destroying any peace with Palestinians and expect Palestinians to just sit there and see their houses demolished. Edited February 11, 2016 by kactus
Argus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Argus Israeli political lobbyist in the United States has a massive influence over the government It has some influence but that is overstated. Most of the influence Israel has on the US governments is because it is seen as a bulwark of western democracy in the midst of a seething cauldron of religious fanatics, dictators and anti-American terrorist groups. the US relies on their intelligence and, to some extent, on their behind the scenes work in fighting their enemies there. If all the surrounding states suddenly took up representative government and the religious crazies faded away the US would stop caring much about Israel. ISIS and friends are proxy armies for the Zionist regime Twaddle "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 The Israelis continue to pout the squeeze on the defenceless Palestinians In the open prison called Gaza: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/palestinians-571m-emergency-services-160211055214546.html When is the UN going to denounce this action as a genocide and unacceptable treatment of people. Time for Canada to denounce these actions and separate ourselves from anything to do with Israel. It's interesting that people are being slaughtered by the hundreds and thousands across the middle east, and millions are fleeing in despair, but to some people, all that matters is the Palestinians who live in a safe land where the only violence is that instigated by themselves "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Ah pull the other one Argus...If it wasn't the nuclear issue there is always the human rights card to pull out of the bag and blame Iran. It is as if you cared about Iranian people to talk about their human rights record now...not! Let's get back to the topic. How about the brutal treatment of Israehellis of palestinians? Demolishing their houses, torturing and killing innocents? Are they also cliches? lol Yes, actually. Who wouldn't rather be a Palestinian today than a Syrian or Iraqi or Yemeni? Israeli prisons are models of human rights protection compared to what the Palestinians do to prisoners, and while Israel has no death penalty both Palestinian governments certainly do. Like the Iranians, Palestinians engage in wide scale torture, and often execution without trial. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kactus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 It's interesting that people are being slaughtered by the hundreds and thousands across the middle east, and millions are fleeing in despair, but to some people, all that matters is the Palestinians who live in a safe land where the only violence is that instigated by themselves Why would you rationalise the actions of the Israeli government by what else is happening in middle east?? Just because there is a war going in Syria it doesn't justify the action of israelis to steal land from Palestinians...From outsider's viewpoint this is just an opportunistic approach by their policy-makers.
kactus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Yes, actually. Who wouldn't rather be a Palestinian today than a Syrian or Iraqi or Yemeni? Israeli prisons are models of human rights protection compared to what the Palestinians do to prisoners, and while Israel has no death penalty both Palestinian governments certainly do. Like the Iranians, Palestinians engage in wide scale torture, and often execution without trial. Again refer to the above post... Every time the actions of the Israeli government is scrutinised their supporters tend to divert the attention to else where.... It goes like this: Oh look what is happening in Yemen, look what is happening in Syria etc, etc, etc...The war over there is much worse than the plight of Palestinians bla bla. But hey, it's ok for Israel to steal more land in the meantime. I see this tactic of avoiding the subject matter but it doesn't wash away considering the history of the Israeli government and UN vis a vis occupied territories....
GostHacked Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) There you have it. Being bigoted against Jews is acceptable since people are bigoted against Christians and Muslims and others. That summarizes everythng one needs to say about Bug Guy's positions on this forum, He believes being an anti-semite is acceptable since others are bigoted. Brilliant. Finish what you started, prove to me that Big Guy is an anti-semite. Go on. Seems like being anti-muslim around here is quite acceptable, but being an anti-semite is deplorable. And no it is not acceptable, but don't let it stop you from throwing labels on people that don't deserve it. I know you don't want the same to be put on you, why do you do it to others? It is my opinion you wrote this post to attack Argus personally and I believe the tone of your response is deliberately insulting, patronizing and attempts to try dominate the discussion and control what you think he can express or think. This role of trying to dominate another poster is in my opinion repulsive and I am going to ask this post be removed as derailing the thread and being abusive. Can you debate the actiual topic of the thread. Stop insulting the poster. Also finish your name calling and allegation and passive aggressive insults at readers on this forum. Which posters work for which dark agencies? Who are these dark agents on the forum? Go on provide their names, the agency or agencies they work for and the evidence you obtained for this allegation, otherwise rettract your statement.. You want to call me or anyone else a darkie you will be called out on it for the nonsense that it is. Your false, unsubstantiated, passive aggressive insults have nothing to do with the topic. Right, finish that name calling Rue. Go on I think Big Guy deserves your relentless diatribes against him and his ilk. This is getting really stupid here. But I guess you get what you dish out. Also I am quoting Rue here, even though the post seems to strip that away. Not sure wtf that is about. Edited February 12, 2016 by GostHacked
Rue Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Finish what you started, prove to me that Big Guy is an anti-semite. Go on. Seems like being anti-muslim around here is quite acceptable, but being an anti-semite is deplorable. And no it is not acceptable, but don't let it stop you from throwing labels on people that don't deserve it. I know you don't want the same to be put on you, why do you do it to others? I don't have to prove it he admitted it, condoned it and rationalized being anti semitic when he stated and I quote again: "So what is wrong with people being anti-Jewish? There are many people who are anti-Christian, anti-Protestant, certainly anti-Muslim from what we see here, anti-Sikhism, anti-Hinduism and anti-anything. What is so special about being anti-Jewish?" You now finish it. You tell me how the above does not rationalize anti semitism. You finish what you started. Tell me how Big Guy coming on this thread and accusing people he disagrees with as being members of a dark agency or patronizing Argus was or is germaine to this thread. You want to defend his hateful words go ahead but don't play with me as if I have to prove what he said or what it means or why I challenged it and challenge you now. What next do you want to share who you hate and suggest its acceptable? Save it. I don't take confessionals and I don't give a damn who you or Big Guy are bigoted against. Its bloody obvious. Its the whole point of the thread. Edited February 12, 2016 by Rue
GostHacked Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 I don't have to prove it he admitted it, condoned it and rationalized being anti semitic when he stated and I quote again: "So what is wrong with people being anti-Jewish? There are many people who are anti-Christian, anti-Protestant, certainly anti-Muslim from what we see here, anti-Sikhism, anti-Hinduism and anti-anything. What is so special about being anti-Jewish?" You really want to come on here now and deny the above words rationalize anti semitism and you need to play your ridiculous role with me telling me to finish what I started. Give it a rest. He has condoned ignorance in those very words and you want to tell me to prove his words. I challenge him because he spews such hatred on this forum and it had nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Its designed solely to incite hatred and rationalize hatred. You defend him if you want but don't come on here and tell me to finish a damn thing-I did not start it but I sure as hell will stand up to it and call it what it is bigotry. First off, you provide no challenge at all to Big Guy or to me. You and others have continually dropped the anti-semite card on members only to not like it when you get a taste of it yourself. Your posts have proved that much over your participation on this forum. Long winded diatribes no one reads anymore. I am serious. You must have wasted hours on things that no one reads. That's kind of sad. I can glance over your post every time only to determine it is the same old game you play. Give it a rest indeed. Don't like it? Click that lovely report button. But be careful! And like always, have nice day.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Your post misses the word 'illegal' settlements! As for the rest of the comment I won'n't bother leaving it here. But let me tell you this for as long as Israel continues with her belligerent policies, then there should be no complain about missiles landing on its door step.... You can't have it both ways supporting these policies of bibi hell bent on destroying any peace with Palestinians and expect Palestinians to just sit there and see their houses demolished. Yes I can, and so can the United States, Canada, UK, China, and many other nations. Canada actually has a free trade agreement with Israel, not "Palestine". The word "illegal" means nothing when used to support the ideology of murderers and terrorists. If stealing land was a war crime, Canada's government(s) would have been convicted and punished long ago (e.g. First Nations, residential schools, internment camps, etc.). Bottom Line: Want to stop Israel ? Be prepared to go through the USA and bring a very big military. My tax dollars support Israel, Palestine, Jordan, and Egypt. What do your tax dollars do ? Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) You and others have continually dropped the anti-semite card on members only to not like it when you get a taste of it yourself. Right. Now provide the posts. You make a lot of allegations. Provide our posts. This is your answer-to make false allegations you can't back up and then use those allegations to rationalize name calling and rationalizing your being anti Jewish or anti Christian? This is what you call debate? You've proven as has Big Guy this is about the two of you pursuing your agenda to be anti Christian and anti Jewish. Congrats. Now provide the posts. For once finish the allegations you started with proof. Provide my posts. Next you want to accuse me of reporting anyone take it off line where I can respond to it. You know where to find me. Next I challenge you and Big Guy for the tone and direction you have taken this thread and the fact you ignore it doesn't negate the challenge its there for all to read or ignore. The challenge does not have to be responded to by you to make it a challenge. Logic is not your strength it would appear. More to the point, your petulant remark as to me not challenging you shows in fact you were or you wouldn't keep responding to me. Now you don't want to be challenged by me then don't respond to my posts. Is that hard to understand? You seem not to be able to grasp that or that if one claims there is nothing wrong with being anti Jewish that admits one is an anti semite and proud of it. Yah you are not challenged. I think you are. I think you are challenged in more than 1 way from the way you are responding. Edited February 12, 2016 by Rue
GostHacked Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Right. Now provide the posts. You make a lot of allegations. Provide our posts. This is your answer-to make false allegations you can't back up and then use those allegations to rationalize name calling and rationalizing your being anti Jewish or anti Christian? This is what you call debate? You've proven as has Big Guy this is about the two of you pursuing your agenda to be anti Christian and anti Jewish. Congrats. Now provide the posts. For once finish the allegations you started with proof. Provide my posts. This is exactly what I am talking about. Go on prove it. Finish what you started.
eyeball Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Bottom Line: Want to stop Israel ? Be prepared to go through the USA and bring a very big military. Actually I think the trick is to force your country to go thru a coalition of countries, kinda like making loggers go thru a wall of grandmothers, committed to a policy of neutrality and moral suasion. I don't think you'd have to bring a military at all to do that. That said I don't think bringing Trudeau will do the trick though. He's just not ready. You need real care-bears for what I'm talking about. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Actually I think the trick is to force your country to go thru a coalition of countries How's that working so far ? Better "force" a lot harder. Economics trumps Virtue.
Hoser360 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 One day when I was about 13 years old, having had pets like gerbils, hamsters and goldfish I asked my single mother if we could get a cat. At the time my mother loathed cats so it was a flat determined NO! True to may age I pressed the subject, this in turn only served to enrage my mother even further and it ultimately became obvious to me that 'Plan A' was not working and so I came up with 'Plan B'. Plan B was simple, but it would take a long time (keep in mind that one year when you are 14 seems like a life time). Slowly over the next year or so, I constantly found genital ways of bringing up cats with my mother, always being carefull not to go too far as to get her really upset, but, just enough to wear her down. Eventually I got my cat and to this day my mother has always had a cat and I moved out 25 years ago; without the cat. Does anyone get how this relates to the subject matter? (or do you all think I'm in left field?)
Big Guy Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) First off, you provide no challenge at all to Big Guy or to me. ... Thank you for your support - but I evaluate criticism depending on my respect for the source. In this case it does not bother me at all. Some people define themselves by those who support them. I enjoy support but choose to define the credibility of my views by those who oppose them. I believe that the less credible the critic then the more credible the view. I am very, very comfortable to be criticized by Argus, Rue and bush_cheney2004. Their opposition and vehement criticism indicate to me that I am going in the right direction. I thank them for the time and effort they take to post their criticism of my posted opinions. I really appreciate their efforts. Perhaps if I was interested in their views then I would read their posts and return the favor. I am not interested and therefore comment only when they refer directly to me with brevity. Edited February 12, 2016 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Thank you for your support - but I evaluate criticism depending on my respect for the source. In this case it does not bother me at all. Some people define themselves by those who support them. I enjoy support but choose to define the credibility of my views by those who oppose them. I believe that the less credible the critic then the more credible the view. I am very, very comfortable to be criticized by Argus, Rue and bush_cheney2004. Their opposition and vehement criticism indicate to me that I am going in the right direction. I thank them for the time and effort they take to post their criticism of my posted opinions. I really appreciate their efforts. Perhaps if I was interested in their views then I would read their posts and return the favor. I am not interested and therefore comment only when they refer directly to me with brevity. It's when I read posts like this that I get turned off by your comments. It's sounds sanctimonious and self righteous and does nothing to further discussion. I'm pretty sure that I may fall into this trap as well. The three you mentioned do have plenty of posts but I like to determine them on an individual basis whether they are constructive or not but you seem to slam them blindly for all their posts. Maybe you should step down from your pedestal. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 How's that working so far ? Better "force" a lot harder.It's not, there still hasn't been enough pain to make people want to change. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hoser360 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Look people, get back on the subject! How ever unorthodox my methods are in encouraging people to continue with a rational debate and not get caught up with the semantics of personality and ego because the topic is so far greater than that. I understand that his topic is loaded and often results in an agree to disagree; there are pretty hard lines in the sand here. I hope the point of all this is to help create a dialog that may one day grow and people in the land once Palestine will no longer die. This has nothing to do religion and everything to do with politics. State and religion has to be separated, once that is accomplished maybe we can move forward and humans can stop dying over land ownership.
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