DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 I have no intention to get you to do anything. You are set in your ways and good for you. I have no intention or plans to "break bread" with Iranians but would have no problems in trading with them just like with China and Saudi Arabia. No doubt. Murder isn't an issue for some folks. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 And....my on topic question regarding the Israel Palestinian conflict STILL STANDS. What did the Arabs decide upon at the Khartoum Conference held after their defeat in the Six Day War? Did everybody fail history? Seriously....Middle East 101 stuff. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 No doubt. Murder isn't an issue for some folks. This is approaching the tedium of sniping. I understand your point of view. Good for you. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) This is approaching the tedium of sniping. I understand your point of view. Good for you. Why not post your concerns in the Iran thread and we can discuss the murderers in Tehran you'd like Canada to join with. Make your case how money is more important that human rights and what not. Edited February 9, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 You want to discuss human rights vs national economy then start your own thread. I'm not interested in getting involved in a discussion that has already filled libraries. If you want to discuss Iran then take the advice I gave to sharkman in post #476. Then we can discuss what you saw. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 kactus: What did the Arabs decide upon at the Khartoum Conference held after their defeat in the Six Day War? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hoser360 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 First, lets separate church and state. Second, there is an area in the middle east once, for a time, referred to exclusively as Palestine, currently it is (at least in North America) on all maps I see the same area is exclusively referred to as Israel. Palestine was once inhabited by people of the three religious believe derived from the same books. Christian, Jewish and Muslim people, all of varying degrees in their own beliefs, all lived together. Granted that like most of these old world communities/cities were/are ruled successfully by a strong hand. If my understanding of history is correct the British ruled the land then known as Palestine and it was only after WWII that the 'state of Israel' was given by the British. It was then that the life of ALL the natural residents of that area was changed. My opinion in this matter has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with politics and who owns the land.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 Like the Americans before them, Israel declared independence as a Jewish state after the British Mandate expired. Nobody owns any land, but they do have the right to defend possession as long as they can. Economics trumps Virtue.
Hoser360 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 "Nobody owns any land, but they do have the right to defend possession as long as they can." I think the Zionist settlers would disagree with you. They have this old book you see, which says....
Argus Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) There appear to be some posters here who have fallen for the anti-Iranian propaganda posted by those with their own dark agendas. You mean those evil people at Amnesty International and Freedom House? Edited February 9, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) I think we should be as friendly with Iran as we are with China and Saudi Arabia. How are they a "better" trading partner than Iran? They're not crazy. And your embassy tends to not get burned down even if they're mad at you. Edited February 9, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 You mean those evil people at Amnesty International and Freedom House? These folks are not posters here. And you obviously have not done your homework. How do you expect to keep up with the rest of the class if you do not do your assignments? It is not as if your homework was a text which would require some understanding of the English language. But a video? Surely you can understand a video created for CNN? Time to stop wasting your time commenting blindly on every and all topics regardless of your understanding of them. I suggest you decide to spend some time researching, reading and viewing. You may find the process to be an eye opening and an enriching exercise. I am looking forward to reading your comments after you have better prepared yourself. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
kactus Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 They're not crazy. And your embassy tends to not get burned down even if they're mad at you. Lol! Embassy didn't get burned. If you are talking about the US embassy it got raided but wasn't burned...and yes ahmadinejhad was not amongst the captors of the US hostages as I have proved in the link provided...Go and do your homework before embarrassing yourselves with such comments....
kactus Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Yes...I have a point related to this thread's topic: What was decided upon by the Arabs meeting at Khartoum in 1967? Are you ashamed to say? It was rather shameful. Get back to me when you can justify why the hell Israel is building illlegal settlements in the occupied teritories.. The original point still stands...., Edited February 9, 2016 by kactus
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 Israel is building settlements in the occupied territories because: 1) More settlements provide strategic consolidation of territory and resources. 2) More settlements provide more leverage in any future negotiated agreement. 3) More settlements expand control of territory in lieu of a future negotiated agreement. 4) More settlements appeals to a segment of Israel's population and politics. 5) It can. Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Make your case how money is more important that human rights and what not.You mean Operation Ajax doesn't come to mind? A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) These folks are not posters here. And you obviously have not done your homework. How do you expect to keep up with the rest of the class if you do not do your assignments? It is not as if your homework was a text which would require some understanding of the English language. But a video? Surely you can understand a video created for CNN? You have an interesting teaching methodology. "Now children, never mind about all those official sources and textbooks. Never mind the academics who spend their lives in the collection, collating and interpreting of data and information. Forget about official government sources. Here's a TV video from a chef who spent a week there sampling their cuisine!! See what nice people they are!? Pay no attention to all those torture and execution stories! It's just Jewish propaganda! Would nice people who have such lovely food execute children!? Noooooo!" Edited February 10, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kactus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 You have an interesting teaching methodology. "Now children, never mind about all those official sources and textbooks. Never mind the academics who spend their lives in the collection, collating and interpreting of data and information. Forget about official government sources. Here's a TV video from a chef who spent a week there sampling their cuisine!! See what nice people they are!? Pay no attention to all those torture and execution stories! It's just Jewish propaganda! Would nice people who have such lovely food execute children!? Noooooo!" Iranian people are indeed lovely and highly educated. But you are set to repeat certain cliches like a broken record....
kactus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 See what nice people they are!? Pay no attention to all those torture and execution stories! It's just Jewish propaganda! Would nice people who have such lovely food execute children!? Noooooo!" Maybe by you generalising a whole nation like iranians discriminately should add the same weight given to anti-semitism. Anit-persian or something....Paradoxically, that is exactly what some of the posters here do whenever something is said about Israel.... On another note....this thread is about Israeli war crimes but as usual it ends up blaming those damn devil eyeranians....oh the irony of it.
Hoser360 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Regarding Palestine.One statement and two questions: The first thing we have to do to help the region find peace, is to make government lobbyist and their financial contributions to political parties illegal. (in the western countries) 1) Why has ISIS, ISIL, Deash, Al Qaede, Al-Nusra (what ever brand name they are referred to now), these so called radical sunni, hell bent on sharia law, not attacking Israel? 2) Why is Iran seemingly the only Islamic nation defending Palestine and countries like Saudi Arabia do/say nothing? Keep in mind that Palestine is largely Sunni, like Saudi, but Iran is largely Shia? I believe that I know the answers to these questions I'm just hoping to enlighten some of those people who don't. Edited February 10, 2016 by Hoser360
Big Guy Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 You have an interesting teaching methodology. "Now children, never mind about all those official sources and textbooks. Never mind the academics who spend their lives in the collection, collating and interpreting of data and information. Forget about official government sources. Here's a TV video from a chef who spent a week there sampling their cuisine!! See what nice people they are!? Pay no attention to all those torture and execution stories! It's just Jewish propaganda! Would nice people who have such lovely food execute children!? Noooooo!" In attempting to "teach" anybody anything, the recipient has to be prepared to learn. If not - the process is a waste of time. Congratulations on doing one part of your homework. Give yourself a gold star. I recommend that you continue with doing some research based on expert opinion of the region. Anything by Eric Margolis (including his blog) is a good start and Janice Stein is generally respect for the validity of her study of the Middle East. BTW Your sarcasm is wasted on me and quite unbecoming to someone interested in civil discussion. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Iranian people are indeed lovely and highly educated. But you are set to repeat certain cliches like a broken record.... Most Iranians are Muslims. Would you expect any racists or bigots or xenophobes to consider any Muslims to be "lovely and highly educated"? That is the tragedy of bigotry. In time it colors a persons attitude to the whole world, distorting their ability to see reality. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
kactus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Most Iranians are Muslims. Would you expect any racists or bigots or xenophobes to consider any Muslims to be "lovely and highly educated"? That is the tragedy of bigotry. In time it colors a persons attitude to the whole world, distorting their ability to see reality. Perhaps I asked for too much...A little research in the area and its people would give a rather 'fresh perspective' to the discussion than constant hateful chatters. In essence, I agree with your sentiment and have come to the same conclusion.
Argus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Iranian people are indeed lovely and highly educated. But you are set to repeat certain cliches like a broken record.... Certain cliches? What cliche's might those be? You mean the ones about Iran torturing and executing more people than any other nation on Earth save China? The one where Iran is number one in the world in the execution of children? Maybe the cliche you don't like is the one where Iran supports international terrorism and sends troops, organizers, weapons and money throughout the middle east to destabilize other governments? Which of those do you think I should ignore because the Iranian people are "lovely'? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 In attempting to "teach" anybody anything, the recipient has to be prepared to learn. Well, true, but on the other hand, if the teach has no clue about the subject matter and is puzzled and befuddled and bewildered at the slightest question to his prepared text then all the students do is laugh at him and throw things. BTW Your sarcasm is wasted on me and quite unbecoming to someone interested in civil discussion. You get the tone your attitude deserves. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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