Israel's war crimes in Gaza

[Rue]

Ghosthacked your responses are there for all to see. You justify, you condone, you support, you apologize for the indiscriminate and random killing of Jews because of check points. Brilliant.

Just brilliant.

Even better you pose as someone who knows what it is like to live in a neighbourhood where you will die, randomly, simply because you choose to live. In one breath you justify the random killings, then in the next pose as if you know what it is like to live in a neighbourhood rampant with terrorism.

You Sir are a poser. Let me explain that. Justin Trudeau claims to speak on behalf of the middle class. He goes on the air each day claiming he will tax the rich to give to the middle class. He has no clue who the middle class is-when asked he can't define it. When asked how a 1% tax was calculated to be enough for the Middle class to be liberated, he says he has no clue because he has no idea how much money the new tax brings in. Not a clue.

This little prince born in privileged bubble where he never had to work and so could afford to only work one job as a drama teacher for one year, now poses as an expert as to what it is like to be middle class, be stressed out by tax and slaps his heart.

Go on Ghost slap your heart. Pose to know what it is like to be a Jew being arbitrarily attacked. Pose you know what it is like to be a Jew in Israel. Pose. Go on tell everyone how Jews are being stabbed because of check points. What an idiotic contention. Check points. Yah that sure makes it justifiable and understandable. Hey its not terrorism. Ghost knows. Ghost knows what its like not to be just a Jew but a Palestinian. You tell them Ghost.

Pat your heart. Pose. Pose away.

[marcus]

Even better you pose as someone who knows what it is like to live in a neighbourhood where you will die, randomly, simply because you choose to live.

No one believes your crap anymore. There are too many facts out in the open that cannot be suffocated with your propaganda.

There is an occupation that has been going for decades. There is systematic land theft and home demolitions. There is day to day discrimination.

[Big Guy]

AS the world is focussed on Syria, Israel is taking the opportunity to throw more Palestinians out of Jerusalem;

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/israel-revoke-jerusalem-residency-palestinians-151015125531507.html

Israel has announced that it will begin banning alleged Palestinian attackers and their relatives from occupied East Jerusalem as increasingly harsh restrictions are being imposed on local Palestinians amid weeks of protests and clashes.

“The sins of the father are to be laid upon the children.” - ― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

[Argus]

It's interesting how anti-Semites can gloss over these attacks, and instead try to direct people's attention elsewhere. I don't believe we've ever seen this sort of terrorism before, where individual religious fanatics repeatedly target random men, women and children on the streets, running at them with cars, stabbing and shooting them. They don't even care who they are, so long as they're Jews.

And contrary to the claims of the haters, it's not inspired by settlements or road blocks or anything else but religious fanaticism, by the ongoing rumour that Jews might desecrate the land around a mosque.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Argus

[Big Guy]

Even the USA, usually blind to Israeli overreactions against Palestinians, has now admitted that Israeli actions are using “excessive force” in their subjugation of Palestinians;

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/15/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKCN0S90X820151015

Thirty-two Palestinians and seven Israelis have been killed in the past two weeks of bloodshed. The Palestinian dead include 10 knife-wielding assailants, police said, as well as children and protesters shot in violent demonstrations.

I guess the definition that Netanyahu has of a “measured response” is consistent.

During the last Israeli invasion of Gaza, between 2,142 and 2,310 Gazans were killed and between 10,626 and 10,895 were wounded (including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child) and one Thai civilian were killed and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.

Now that was really a “measured response”.

[bush_cheney2004]

And yet, even the Canada still supports Israel. The Palestinians and their strategy need to find a better sugar daddy.

[Argus]

And yet, even the Canada still supports Israel. The Palestinians and their strategy need to find a better sugar daddy.

The Jew haters don't have any real power in Canada. They just rant on internet web sites.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Argus

[GostHacked]

Ghosthacked your responses are there for all to see. You justify, you condone, you support, you apologize for the indiscriminate and random killing of Jews because of check points. Brilliant.

Those who can actually read know what I am saying. I am not putting this up there for you.

[Michael Hardner]

Ok - enough insults on the thread, thanks.

[Big Guy]

Ok - enough insults on the thread, thanks.

Why not just toss those who are making the insults? They are the same posters time after time - give them the boot!

[Bonam]

I totally agree with you. The terrorism that's going on in Israel right now is not even recognized by anyone. Terrorists run over people, kill parents in front of their children, stab soldiers.

Welcome to the forum. Nice to have another sane sounding poster. You are right, the latest epidemic of stabbings of Jews by Palestinian terrorists in Israel is going severely under-reported in Western media. In fact, it was all but completely ignored until these latest murders were met with a harsh response.

Frankly, I believe even the most virulent critic of Israel here would be calling for check points, walls, and harsh police action if there was a large portion of the population in the streets that might stab them or their families at any time simply because of their ethnicity/religion. It's easy to live in a place like Canada in total safety and security and criticize people on the other side of the world who live in a much different reality. But when faced with the constant threat of being murdered, things look very different.

The people inciting the latest wave of stabbings and murders of innocent Israelis have no one but themselves to blame for any response Israel carries out.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Bonam

[Rue]

Thank you Bonham. Well stated.

To try justify terrorism as being caused by checkpoints is past absurd.

Imagine if people were running around in Ghost's neighbourhood stabbing anyone randomly. Who him want a police presence?

Say now does anyone want to tell me how to deal with a person who runs at you with a knife? Hug him? Tell him....here I am stab away.....

Why doesn't Ghost or Big Guy stop beating around the response and list point by point why they believe its acceptable to stab people randomly?

Go on you two list your reasons. Yah I know. You will start the sentence, its not what you said. No then, so clarify it. Explain the reasons why stabbing people randomly is acceptable, state when its acceptable and why-stop coming on the forum inferring it is by calling Israel all kinds of names for trying to stop it....explain....go on...finish it...stop referring to me-speak directly to Israel-tell its people why they should die and do nothing-tell them why they should be stabbed...you two claim to know why....list it....finish just once the inferences you start but won't complete. Its easy to come on this board and say Israel should not exist, Israel should not defend itself, Israel no no no-tell us all then-what is a Jew allowed to do? According to you do they should not live in a Jewish state-well then-do they get to live somewhere else? You want to go back to the earlier posts suggesting they go back to Germany? Hmmmm? Ooops that won't work. Kind of crowded at the moment.

[Michael Hardner]

Why not just toss those who are making the insults? They are the same posters time after time - give them the boot!

Because I often arrive after an insult as a response to an insult as a response to ...

I see the last insult only, so if I act without warning I get accused of favouring one perspective. I feel that to be fair I need to warn people first, but I'm not obliged to do so.

[Big Guy]

Because I often arrive after an insult as a response to an insult as a response to ...

I see the last insult only, so if I act without warning I get accused of favouring one perspective. I feel that to be fair I need to warn people first, but I'm not obliged to do so.

Thank you for the response. You certainly are a patient fellow and I know you are trying your best. You will be accused of favouring one perspective no matter what you do.

[GostHacked]

Thank you Bonham. Well stated.

To try justify terrorism as being caused by checkpoints is past absurd.

Imagine if people were running around in Ghost's neighbourhood stabbing anyone randomly. Who him want a police presence?

Say now does anyone want to tell me how to deal with a person who runs at you with a knife? Hug him? Tell him....here I am stab away.....

Why doesn't Ghost or Big Guy stop beating around the response and list point by point why they believe its acceptable to stab people randomly?

Go on you two list your reasons. Yah I know. You will start the sentence, its not what you said. No then, so clarify it. Explain the reasons why stabbing people randomly is acceptable, state when its acceptable and why-stop coming on the forum inferring it is by calling Israel all kinds of names for trying to stop it....explain....go on...finish it...stop referring to me-speak directly to Israel-tell its people why they should die and do nothing-tell them why they should be stabbed...you two claim to know why....list it....finish just once the inferences you start but won't complete. Its easy to come on this board and say Israel should not exist, Israel should not defend itself, Israel no no no-tell us all then-what is a Jew allowed to do? According to you do they should not live in a Jewish state-well then-do they get to live somewhere else? You want to go back to the earlier posts suggesting they go back to Germany? Hmmmm? Ooops that won't work. Kind of crowded at the moment.

The only coward is you who constantly likes to rip people for stuff they never said.

[marcus]

Because I often arrive after an insult as a response to an insult as a response to ...

I see the last insult only, so if I act without warning I get accused of favouring one perspective. I feel that to be fair I need to warn people first, but I'm not obliged to do so.

You need to be consistent. You have accused me of using a specific word in response to someone when they have used the same word in the same thread. It does not achieve your objective and it doesn't look good when you show this inconsistency.

[marcus]

Welcome to the forum. Nice to have another sane sounding poster. You are right, the latest epidemic of stabbings of Jews by Palestinian terrorists in Israel is going severely under-reported in Western media. In fact, it was all but completely ignored until these latest murders were met with a harsh response.

Frankly, I believe even the most virulent critic of Israel here would be calling for check points, walls, and harsh police action if there was a large portion of the population in the streets that might stab them or their families at any time simply because of their ethnicity/religion. It's easy to live in a place like Canada in total safety and security and criticize people on the other side of the world who live in a much different reality. But when faced with the constant threat of being murdered, things look very different.

The people inciting the latest wave of stabbings and murders of innocent Israelis have no one but themselves to blame for any response Israel carries out.

When an Israeli attacks a Palestinian it's "revenge". When a Palestinian attacks, it's "terror." Language is telling.

Incidentally a couple of days ago: "Israeli police say a Jewish Israeli man stabbed another Jew in northern Israel in a suspected failed revenge attack." Meaning, he thought he was stabbing a Palestinian.

Since October 1st, 39 Palestinians have been killed, compared to 7 Israelis.

[Argus]

When an Israeli attacks a Palestinian it's "revenge". When a Palestinian attacks, it's "terror." Language is telling.

So are the situations. Let's not forget the impetus for the current wave of attacks on Jews is the rumor among the Muslims that the Jews will 'profane' one of their sacred sites by moving closer to it. That's it. All reports agree. And yet you desperately gloss over this as unimportant and instead focus on one single attack by a Jew who decided to take revenge for all the stabbing attacks by stabbing a Palestinian.

Since October 1st, 39 Palestinians have been killed, compared to 7 Israelis.

Yeah, thanks for the score. I understand that police have killed more bank robbers and street gang members than the reverse. Clearly this demonstrates how unfair things are and we must throw our sympathy and whatever weapons we can to street gang members and bank robbers in order for the death toll to be evened up.

[eyeball]

The Jew haters don't have any real power in Canada. They just rant on internet web sites.

Muslim haters on the other hand...

[Big Guy]

The violence is building in Israel with more Palestinians being shot to death:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/palestinians-killed-alleged-hebron-stabbings-151017094835866.html

The second generation appears to be trying to get all the Palestinians organized into a more potent group:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/10/palestine-intifada-powerful-151016094419464.html

"It's the first time in a long time that we've seen this," he says. "I've seen young people, old people, females, males, protesting in the streets together. You can see rich people alongside poor people too."

Looks like this new generation is not prepared to watch their land being taken, live in an occupied land and be treated as second class citizens.

With tens of thousands protesting in the streets (even while being shot by Israeli police) the world may eventually turn its eyes towards inhuman suppression of basic freedom.

[marcus]

So are the situations. Let's not forget the impetus for the current wave of attacks on Jews is the rumor among the Muslims that the Jews will 'profane' one of their sacred sites by moving closer to it. That's it. All reports agree. And yet you desperately gloss over this as unimportant and instead focus on one single attack by a Jew who decided to take revenge for all the stabbing attacks by stabbing a Palestinian.

The lack of understanding and acceptance that this is beyond the issue at Al Aqsa incident allows people like you to parrot the narrative pushed by the Hasbara.

If you think the occupation, the systematic demolition and replacement of Arab residents with extremist Jewish settlers, and the continuous crap the Palestinians have to go through has nothing to do with the latest boiling point, then you're wasting everyone's time. It means that your understanding of the region is limited and superficial.

Yeah, thanks for the score. I understand that police have killed more bank robbers and street gang members than the reverse. Clearly this demonstrates how unfair things are and we must throw our sympathy and whatever weapons we can to street gang members and bank robbers in order for the death toll to be evened up.

You think the score does not matter? Of course it does. It proves that you think a Jewish life is somehow worth more than a Palestinian life. You're up in arms with all the stabbings, but the bombing, shooting and killing of Palestinians is okay to you, because you have demonstrated over and over again that you're racist towards Arabs.

Only 11 of the 39 Palestinians killed have been attackers or alleged attackers. The rest have been innocent civilians killed by bullets and bombs. You think if the Palestinians who have reached the point of wanting to kill, would not kill with guns if they could? A killer is a killer. A victim is a victim. No one, including you, gets to give special privilege to one group over another.

Edited October 19, 2015 by marcus

[Canada_First]

Jews have every right to have a homeland and to defend it. Violentry if need be. If you're not Jewish then it's really none of your business. Israel is the Jewish homeland and nothing can be done to change that. Jews will fight to the death of every last one before leaving.

If you've never lived in Israel then you have no real idea what it is your talking about. Israel is the only democracy in the ME. They respect LGBT rights. No other nation in the ME does that.

So if you hate Usrael completely that makes one an antisemite.

[Big Guy]

If you can look at Israelis and Palestinians as equal in their needs, wants and entitlements then the continuing, one sided carnage becomes unacceptable. Those people (including members of this board) who consider some races or cultures superior to others can now rationalize that the more "inferior" group deserves to be either suppressed or annihilated. It helps to accept systematic violence and murder if you can dehumanize any group and categorize them according to a personal value system.

Racists seldom see themselves as racists. They see themselves as nationalists protecting their way of life from the influence of external influences which will change "their" country from the way "it should be". They share a common goal, from the Nazi cleansing of the Aryan race to the KKK fighting to keep our country white to well meaning Canadian "patriots" keeping their country from being over run with Muslim hordes. In most cases, it is a rationalization for person shortcomings and an excuse for the individual not attaining their personal goals. In other cases it is a basic dislike of anybody "different".

So be it.

[jbg]

Looks like this new generation is not prepared to watch their land being taken, live in an occupied land and be treated as second class citizens.

With tens of thousands protesting in the streets (even while being shot by Israeli police) the world may eventually turn its eyes towards inhuman suppression of basic freedom.

If you think the occupation, the systematic demolition and replacement of Arab residents with extremist Jewish settlers, and the continuous crap the Palestinians have to go through has nothing to do with the latest boiling point, then you're wasting everyone's time. It means that your understanding of the region is limited and superficial.

There's a certain perspective obviously missing here. Throughout history there have been waves of expulsions and relocations of people. And some attacks and massacres, such as the Rape ofr Nanking, but I digress.

As far as forced migrations and expulsions, here are a few examples:

1. The Jews' expulsion by the Romans from the Holy Land;
2. The elimination of the Mayans at the hands of the Aztecs;
3. The European takeover of the Americas and Australia;
4. The constant warfare between the Hutus and Tutsis;
5. The persecution of the Nubians by Sudanese Muslims;
6. The Slovak expulsion of ethnic Germans after WW II;
7. The Jews' displacement from Europe to the extent not killed in Shoah;
8. The Russian occupation of the Kuriles;
9. The Arab expulsion of their Jewish population and absorption into Israel.

All of these affected millions. What distinguished the outcome was that world pressure was not used to encourage people in a hopeless position to fight a quixotic and ultimately doomed war to reverse accomplished events. In the case of the "Palestinian" refugees, on the other hand, the UN quickly established UNWRA to enable the surrounding Arab countries not to reabsorb the refugees. The people were kept in fetid camps and encouraged to reproduce. And to fight. And the Israelis have been restrained from finishing off the resulting situations, which really have to be considered wars.

Israel is not going away. The only humane solution is for the Palestinians to stand down and work out a way they can live. The only likely solution is a war that hurts the Palestinians, and hurts badly.

[marcus]

Israel is not going away. The only humane solution is for the Palestinians to stand down and work out a way they can live. The only likely solution is a war that hurts the Palestinians, and hurts badly.

This is not about Israel going away. This is now about a Palestinian State alongside Israel. Israel is occupying Palestinian land, and this is the #1 problem.

It's time to side-step Israel and Israelis, because an overwhelming majority of them will not push for a Palestinian State to be formed. They will continue to support successive racist Israeli governments. It's time to do to Israel, what the international community did to Apartheid South Africa. It's time to culturally and economically, isolate Israel. Which has already started through the BDS movement.

There will be no peace until Israel’s occupation of Palestine ends