Smallc Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Canadian Reform Alliance Party There is no such party. Quote
Moonbox Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Why? It's the columnist's opinion. They don't need to provide a "balanced" view. You can argue that a newspaper should, but if they make no qualms about being conservative or liberal, then who cares? You know what you're getting. The newspaper chooses which opinions to publish, and on that note the Star is doubly irresponsible. First, it's blatantly biased in the selection of which opinion pieces to publish and second, those that it does publish are entirely unprofessional, often being little more than frothing, hyperbole-filled rants. This of course, is all combined with the heavy editorial slant of all of its non-opinion pieces, giving us a newspaper that's barely more credible than Fox News. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
cybercoma Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 The newspaper chooses which opinions to publish, and on that note the Star is doubly irresponsible. First, it's blatantly biased in the selection of which opinion pieces to publish and second, those that it does publish are entirely unprofessional, often being little more than frothing, hyperbole-filled rants. This of course, is all combined with the heavy editorial slant of all of its non-opinion pieces, giving us a newspaper that's barely more credible than Fox News.They're opinion pieces. Why do they have a responsibility to post the opinions that you want to hear? They're opinions. Not facts. Not reporting. You're entitled to disagree with someone's opinions and not read the newspaper. I don't think they have any sort of responsibility for publishing opinions that you want to hear. I don't get on The Sun's case for posting the painfully ignorant opinions of Ezra Levant or any of their other so-called "pundits." They're entitled to demonstrate their brazen stupidity to the world. But then, I know the difference between facts and opinions, so maybe that's why I don't care. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 They're opinion pieces. Why do they have a responsibility to post the opinions that you want to hear? They're opinions. Not facts. Not reporting. You're missing the point. They are absolutely entitled to do that - absolutely. And they do - but the point is that all of their opinions/columnists are totally slanted to either Liberal cheerleading or Conservative bashing. Couple that with inserting opinions into news stories (editorializing) - which no one else does at all - and you have a shameful shill of a paper. It's their right to do all that - but to pretend that they are anything but a mouthpiece for the Liberal Party is grossly naive. Quote Back to Basics
overthere Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 The question is.....is there truth in what a paper says and in this case the Star. I've heard several people agree with what has happened to our democracy since the Canadian Reform Alliance Party has taken hold especially since 2011. The well-respected former Speaker has agreed that Canadian democracy is very serious trouble. C-PAC televises many meeting on this topic and its very interesting and educational what our government is doing and NOT doing. Harper with a majority does exactly and precisely what every majority government has done since 1867: bulldoze their legislative assembly through. I'd submit he is less successful than his predecessors in this since he has a far more activist Supreme Court than others have had. Ironically, it is mostly a Court that he has appointed. Chretien paid no attention at all to the Offical Opposition, why would he ? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Keepitsimple Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 Harper with a majority does exactly and precisely what every majority government has done since 1867: bulldoze their legislative assembly through. I'd submit he is less successful than his predecessors in this since he has a far more activist Supreme Court than others have had. Ironically, it is mostly a Court that he has appointed. Chretien paid no attention at all to the Offical Opposition, why would he ? Yep - that was part of Harper's "secret agenda".....to stack the Supreme Court with judges who would rubber stamp his every whim. What a bunch of fear-mongering baloney! Quote Back to Basics
WIP Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 But The Sun chain is an anomaly: a newspaper for people who cannot read. That's not much of an exaggeration! It's been noted from a wide variety of sources, that newspapers as a whole, started dumbing down for the reading level of their subscribers years ago...at least as far back as the 70's. So, all newspapers have been dumbed down ever since the age of television led people to watch more/ read less. The Sun group just went one step further by copying the Newscorpse strategy: dumb it down a little further than the others....play to a mostly male, xenophobic audience with lots of flag-waving....over-emphasize sports coverage as if it's real news.....and throw lots of sexual imagery at these sexually frustrated/conflicted guys with the page 3 girl and every, absolutely every bikini shot you can find - same thing works on TV for Murdoch & co.: combine sexual repression with sexual arousal, and you got your conservative audience on a string! The problem with the establishment liberal broadsheets, like the Star and the Globe & Mail, is that they are trying to convince their audience through reason and logic, while the Sun goes straight to negative emotions and doles out any facts on a limited basis. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 The question is.....is there truth in what a paper says and in this case the Star. I've heard several people agree with what has happened to our democracy since the Canadian Reform Alliance Party has taken hold especially since 2011. The well-respected former Speaker has agreed that Canadian democracy is very serious trouble. C-PAC televises many meeting on this topic and its very interesting and educational what our government is doing and NOT doing. Right. I couldn't help noticing that the OP doesn't even offer any kind of analysis or attempt to refute that Star editorial....the message is they are biased against the Conservative Party, therefore it's wrong whatever it says! No doubt the Sun chain has played at least a small part in re-shaping Canadian politics in the last couple of decades. They not only wanted to shift the balance of economic power west, they wanted political power to come from B.C./Alberta also. And, after turning Canada into a petrostate, the Harper tories are in the same dilemma as Russia, Venezuela, Iran and so many other nations that allowed the oil industry (dirty oil in our case) to overrun the entire economy! If anyone out west takes a trip through Ontario and Quebec lately, they are going to find even more factory closures, and the only replacements for young blue collar workers are these little fly-by-night operations that populate new business or industrial parks - they pay their non-union workers near minimum wage and after they run out of government grants and tax concessions, they will no doubt, close their doors and run off to the next district which offers the best public giveaways. This is how Ontario (under three different political parties) had been trying to fight the effects of globalization over the last 30 years, which really intensified when all that tar sands crud was taken seriously as oil exports. Like every other petrostate, our dollar inflates and it's goodbye to what's left of real manufacturing! For many reasons, I see cheap oil as more curse than blessing, but at least the grinding down of tar sands operations will end the western conservative dynasty that Harper thought he was putting in place! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Shady Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 With Rob Ford, the corporate right in Canada showed that they like their politicians Big, Dumb and Belligerent, just like their U.S. examples: I notice a trend towards selecting dumb cheerleaders ever since Dubya was put up as a presidential candidate. But, then again, senile old Reagan would also qualify. There seems to be a trend towards having real power in the hands of people behind the scenes and telling the politician what to say and what to do. The last thing they want is a politician who thinks for himself, because he or she might stray off the reservation and stop following orders! How is he dumb? Quote
Smallc Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 I was wondering the same thing. He may be brash, and I don't always agree with him, but he certainly isn't dumb. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 ...he certainly isn't dumb. He made gaffes, and wasn't a great speaker all the time. An Ivy League education and Harvard MBA should be enough for people to see through the folksy image. Plus, let's not forget that he was diabolical enough to do 9-11... He planned it all himself and got away with it, dontchaknow. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Archanfel Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Newspapers are businesses, they write (or hire the right person to write) what sells. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Newspapers are businesses, they write (or hire the right person to write) what sells. Nothing more, nothing less. True... and nothing sells anymore. Twitter and oxygen are both free. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
WIP Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 How is he dumb? Okay, maybe he's not dumb in the Dubya sense of the word, but he is deliberately willfully ignorant if his Bridgegate alibi had any connection with the truth. I was especially thinking of the lineup at the 2012 GOP Beauty Pageant, and wondering what 2016 has in store. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
overthere Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 No doubt the Sun chain has played at least a small part in re-shaping Canadian politics in the last couple of decades. They not only wanted to shift the balance of economic power west, they wanted political power to come from B.C./Alberta also. And, after turning Canada into a petrostate, the Harper tories are in the same dilemma as Russia, Venezuela, Iran and so many other nations that allowed the oil industry (dirty oil in our case) to overrun the entire economy! I don't think the Sun has much influence on voters. There is very little content of any kind in the average Sun paper, and I really wonder how many of its readers vote. It is laughable that the Sun had any influence at all in the shift of manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico, a shift that affected all First World countries including Canada. Oh, maybe you mean that Harper is in the employ of the Illuminati and controls all the world economies. Sinister. In what section of your colon do you store these fantasies? I'd also suggest central Canada itself had far more to do with the shift from manufacturing to commodities as the basis for our economy. Was it Alberta or Harper that overpaid assembly line workers in ON for long enough for them to believe that their work was worth it? Or neither? Now you can explain how political power can be shifted West when there are so many more MPs in central canada? I'll make some popcorn and settle in while you figure that out. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Archanfel Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 True... and nothing sells anymore. Twitter and oxygen are both free. Social media is far from free. In fact, I'd say social media is part of the reason political parties becomes ever more radical. The goal of social media is to draw attention, either for ego or for monetary gains. Radical views tend to invoke strong reactions from both supporters and opponents, thus draw more popularity. Social media also allows more ordinary people who are easily manipulated into political arena. Both tea party and 99% are the products of more grass root participation, which unfortunately has not been a good thing. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Posted January 14, 2015 Social media is far from free. In fact, I'd say social media is part of the reason political parties becomes ever more radical. The goal of social media is to draw attention, either for ego or for monetary gains. Radical views tend to invoke strong reactions from both supporters and opponents, thus draw more popularity. Social media also allows more ordinary people who are easily manipulated into political arena. . One need only to browse this forum to validate your claim. Quote Back to Basics
guyser Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 The Star's endless rants against Rob Ford only solidified his support and played a significant role in his initially winning the Mayor's race.Had the Star told the story that they knew...his drunkeness, the many many police visits to the house, the domestic violence, the known criminal contacts, perhaps he never would have become mayor. They have said they regretted not doing so. Lets not forget they were dead on . Harpers slashing of science, the Vets, the Census, and any other info gathering mechanism the govt used to employ should be front and centre for CDN's to read and decide when the time comes. Quote
Moonbox Posted January 17, 2015 Report Posted January 17, 2015 Had the Star told the story that they knew...his drunkeness, the many many police visits to the house, the domestic violence, the known criminal contacts, perhaps he never would have become mayor. They have said they regretted not doing so. Lets not forget they were dead on . Even tabloids get the story right sometimes. That doesn't mean that they're not still mostly garbage. Harpers slashing of science, the Vets, the Census, and any other info gathering mechanism the govt used to employ should be front and centre for CDN's to read and decide when the time comes. Sure, except the Star devotes 99% of its energy to criticizing Harper and the Tories, brazenly refusing to print anything regarding the good things they've done or the bad things their opponents have done. It prints less than half the story. It's a hack newspaper with zero credibility. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Posted January 17, 2015 With Rob Ford, the corporate right in Canada showed that they like their politicians Big, Dumb and Belligerent, just like their U.S. examples: U.S. examples mean nothing in Canada, despite continued efforts to define things that way. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonbox Posted January 17, 2015 Report Posted January 17, 2015 U.S. examples mean nothing in Canada, despite continued efforts to define things that way. You mean Harper doesn't = George Bush, and Justin Trudeau doesn't = Obama?! Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ironstone Posted January 17, 2015 Report Posted January 17, 2015 The Conservative papers haven't stopped their "usual breathless rants" and "over the top, shameless partisanship cloaked in sanctimonious cries of anti-democracy" against the Liberals and NDP. Afterall, coalition governments in a Westminster System are the last democratic thing imaginable, right? If you're going to criticize commentators for being biased or partisan, then have the intellectual integrity to criticize them all for it. How many Conservative papers are there?How many left-wing papers are there?Which papers are Conservative and which are left-wing?Names? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Argus Posted January 18, 2015 Report Posted January 18, 2015 Why should there be? The Liberals are the third party. Is it really that strange that the newspaper would spend most of its time criticizing the government? I'm willing to go back forty years or more to when Trudeau senior was Prime Minister. The Star has supporting liberalism as part of its mandate. It's always supported the Liberals, no matter what they've done, and always opposed the Conservatives no matter what they've done. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2015 Report Posted January 18, 2015 How many Conservative papers are there?How many left-wing papers are there?Which papers are Conservative and which are left-wing?Names? Are you asking because you don't know ? NP and Sun right-of-centre editorially, G&M centre-right, TorStar centre-left... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
PIK Posted January 19, 2015 Report Posted January 19, 2015 Those centre right as you call then ,also rip the harper gov when needed. Very seldom does the star. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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