jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 It's not ridiculous! You're being too hard on yourself. You deserve to be forgiven. http://www.sexualharassmenttraining.biz/sexual_harassment_training_Patterns-Personalities-and-Types-of-Harassment.html When confronted about their inappropriate behavior, perpetrators of sexual harassment often act as if they are being victimized . Quote
Argus Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 A study that was just completed and obtained from the Justice Department's research and statistics division highlights a disturbing statistic that two thirds of sexual assault victims lack confidence in the criminal justice system. Virtually ALL victims of crime lack confidence in the criminal justice system. There's nothing new there. Stats Canada has been conducting large scale victim surveys for some years and every time one comes out it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police. They don't want the huge hassle and they doubt the cops or courts will do anything worthwhile anyway. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 http://www.sexualharassmenttraining.biz/sexual_harassment_training_Patterns-Personalities-and-Types-of-Harassment.html When confronted about their inappropriate behavior, perpetrators of sexual harassment often act as if they are being victimized . That's a pretty good read, I don't have time to read it in it's entirety - but I will. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
overthere Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Virtually ALL victims of crime lack confidence in the criminal justice system. There's nothing new there. Stats Canada has been conducting large scale victim surveys for some years and every time one comes out it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police. They don't want the huge hassle and they doubt the cops or courts will do anything worthwhile anyway. That is one explanation for a lack of reporting that may have several reasons. But I reject your premise that Canadians lack confidence in the criminal justice system. That confidence is at the very very heart of our lives here, it is a prime factor in why people immigrate here. They come because they can live pretty much without fear from authorities and abuse of authority. Rule of law. If you break it, there will be consequences. The police are not corrupt. Judges cannot be bought. Your financial status has no bearing on guilt or innocence. Yes, there have been and will be exceptions to those facts, but by and large we enjoy an enviable state of affairs, and a really important component in our lives. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Argus Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 That is one explanation for a lack of reporting that may have several reasons. But I reject your premise that Canadians lack confidence in the criminal justice system. Not all of them, clearly but a growing number seem to. That confidence is at the very very heart of our lives here, it is a prime factor in why people immigrate here. They come because they can live pretty much without fear from authorities and abuse of authority. Rule of law. If you break it, there will be consequences. Maybe, eventually, if you get caught, and possibly the consequences might be severe, or possibly not at all severe. Do you know how much crime is being reported? According to Stats Canada, about 31% of all crime is reported to police. So when you read about low crime rates you might bear that in mind. Another thing to bear in mind is that when gathering police reported crime statistics they only report the top crime in a particular incident. For example, break-in which includes a murder, rape and robbery will be reported as 1 murder. That is all. The additional crimes won't be part of the statistics. So crime is a lot higher than the statistics would suggest, and the police solve less than half of reported crimes to begin with. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 Virtually ALL victims of crime lack confidence in the criminal justice system. There's nothing new there. Stats Canada has been conducting large scale victim surveys for some years and every time one comes out it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police. Cite? . Quote
Argus Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 Cite? . http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/Police-reported-Crime-Statistics-in-Canada-February-2013.pdf Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 Going public ... can be justice in itself, eh? . That experience reflects exactly what happens when people feel that they have to go outside the justice system, IMO. And the 'damage to reputation' is done, based on whether people believe the accuser. In the absence of a responsive justice system, I think this works. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 That experience reflects exactly what happens when people feel that they have to go outside the justice system, IMO. And the 'damage to reputation' is done, based on whether people believe the accuser. In the absence of a responsive justice system, I think this works. What if the accuser is just a good liar, and they ruin someone's reputation out of bitterness and spite? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 Many women't rights advocates don't want to be part of the process of law and order, they just want accusation = conviction. Can you provide a cite ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 I was speaking about an allegation by he wife of spousal violence. In that event the man is immediately evicted from his house. No trial is required. I didn't know this. False allegations indeed throw a man's life into utter hell. But there are no studies, no way to quantify the problem, and, most troubling, no solutions at hand. When someone makes a complaint, police must lay charges. Again, how can we improve things ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jacee Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/Police-reported-Crime-Statistics-in-Canada-February-2013.pdf Quote where ... " it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police." . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Priceless. Quote where ... " it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police." . Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 That experience reflects exactly what happens when people feel that they have to go outside the justice system, IMO. And the 'damage to reputation' is done, based on whether people believe the accuser. In the absence of a responsive justice system, I think this works. It doesn't always have to be about identifying a suspect. In Ghomeshi's case he put his name out there himself, with claims on facebook begging a response. With CBC in general, like in this thread it's more about a context - parliament - where alegations can raise awareness without names necessarily attached, to change policy and make perps shake in their boots a bit - a learning opportunity. The justice system is another approach for another purpose. Both are useful. . Quote
Keepitsimple Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Quote where ... " it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police." . Interesting that you should point that out. Many in the anti-Harper crowd ridicule the government's assertion that unreported crime has been rising and the crime stats are not as rosy as put forward in the media. It's good to see that you are capable of seeing beyond the raw numbers of "police reported" incidents. Or did I misunderstand? Indeed though - it is troubling. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Interesting that you should point that out. Many in the anti-Harper crowd ridicule the government's assertion that unreported crime has been rising and the crime stats are not as rosy as put forward in the media. It's good to see that you are capable of seeing beyond the raw numbers of "police reported" incidents. Or did I misunderstand? Indeed though - it is troubling. Sounds like something Harper would try and flog. How does he quantify something that hasn't been reported? He keeps trying to convince those who don't have the wherewithal to actually understand stats that we need "tough on crime" bills when crime, especially violent crime has been on the decline for decades. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Can you provide a cite ? There is no cite for that ridiculous statement. Many women't rights advocates don't want to be part of the process of law and order, they just want accusation = conviction. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Keepitsimple Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Sounds like something Harper would try and flog. How does he quantify something that hasn't been reported? He keeps trying to convince those who don't have the wherewithal to actually understand stats that we need "tough on crime" bills when crime, especially violent crime has been on the decline for decades. Read the report that you quoted from - you can't use the report to defend your position - and then turn around and trash it. As usual though, I expect you to ignore the facts........ It is fundamentally important to understand that Juristat’s Police-reported Crime Statistics in Canada 2011 report onlyreflects criminal incidents that are reported by Canadians to police or to which police are alerted, irrespective of a specific complaint. As such, it clearly does not measure the actual amount of crime in Canada. This is not simply speculation or conspiracy theory. Juristat recognizes this by conducting mass surveys of Canadians over 15 years old every five years, specifically to ask if they have been the victim of any of eight specified offences in the preceding year and whether they had reported that fact to the police. The most recent Juristat Crime Victimization Survey was completed in 2010 and, like others before it, it presents a disturbingly different picture of crime in Canada than does the Police-reported Crime Statistics in Canada. Quote Back to Basics
Topaz Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 I'm pretty sure I right on this, if anyone that works on the Hills goes to court for any reason WE, the taxpayers get to pay the bill. This is even for the MP's over Election problems, like Del Mastro. So if women are saying something against the two MP's, doesn't the public have the right to understand why, if they go to court? I'm wondering if this isn't cleared up, will this cause the two MP's to sue the party and perhaps the two women if its not true??? Quote
Argus Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Quote where ... " it shows a lower percentage of victims are even bothering to report crime to the police." . Isn't that what I said? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) I didn't know this. False allegations indeed throw a man's life into utter hell. Again, how can we improve things ? I think we need the presumption of innocence. The state can't be taking action against people without any finding of guilt, and the same goes for harassment and assault. Edited November 17, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Sounds like something Harper would try and flog. How does he quantify something that hasn't been reported? Juristat (the Stats Canada department which measures crime) does a whopping big survey with face to face interviews across the country every five years. The latest is just about done and is scheduled for release next year. Edited November 17, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Juristat (the Stats Canada department which measures crime) does a whopping big survey with face to face interviews across the country every five years. The latest is just about done and is scheduled for release next year. Except that the victimization survey has been rolled into the GSS. I wish it still stood alone. Edited November 17, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted November 17, 2014 Report Posted November 17, 2014 Isn't that what I said? Not exactly true, unless you're alarmed over a change from 34% reported incidents to 31% reported incidents from 2004 to 2009; however, bringing it back to the OP, by far the least reported crime is sexual assaults at only 12% reported (source). Quote
PIK Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Posted November 17, 2014 Speaking of the CBC where are the women groups that that just love the CBC so much, and their outrage at what happened, and how they knew but he was a money maker. And are heads going to roll. I doubt it. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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