Hal 9000 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 I can and have had dinner and drinks with female clients and colleagues at conferences without fear for my own safety. I have been propositioned by tipsy women in these situations and when I politely say no, I don't have to worry that I may be taken by force. That's not the case for most women is it? That's a problem we have to fix. I can work late at the office and not even think about what other staff members are in the building. I can enter a secluded parking garage by myself without worry. I can be friendly with women in a social situation and know that I will not be sexually assaulted. Women cannot do this. They have to live with a certain amount of fear. That has to change. The fact that you place the onus on the vulnerable is a problem that also has to change. You're having drinks with these women and they're afraid of you? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Mighty AC Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 You're having drinks with these women and they're afraid of you? What a stupid comment. Are you illiterate or just a fool? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Hal 9000 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 What a stupid comment. Are you illiterate or just a fool? "Women cannot do this. They have to live with a certain amount of fear." You're suggesting that women live in a constant state of fear...right? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Mighty AC Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 "Women cannot do this. They have to live with a certain amount of fear." You're suggesting that women live in a constant state of fear...right? "I can work late at the office and not even think about what other staff members are in the building. I can enter a secluded parking garage by myself without worry. I can be friendly with women in a social situation and know that I will not be sexually assaulted. Women cannot do this. They have to live with a certain amount of fear. That has to change." Women live with more fear than men. Do you dispute that? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
WestCoastRunner Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 "Women cannot do this. They have to live with a certain amount of fear." You're suggesting that women live in a constant state of fear...right? I believe his point is that when men drink with women and the men get propositioned and refuse, they do not worry about the consequences of refusing propositions, whereas a woman may feel threatened if she refuses (in many, many circumstances). Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Perhaps you're mistaking the Canadian workplace with rural DR Congo. But if it's serious, obviously the right choice is to leave. If you don't because you like money or employment status more than your dignity, that's your choice to make. But it also makes you less credible. Yes it was so terrible.....so terrible that I did not think it was bad enough to apply for another job down the street. Much as lefties dislike it, we live fortunately in a country with law and order. First of all, this isn't a leftie or rightie issue. It affects women of all political parties. And believe it or not, the Canadian workplace does indeed have sexual harassment ocurring against women everyday. I work in the high-tech industry and I see it happening quite often. Women do not report it until it becomes excruciatingly unbearable. There are many reasons for women not to report these issues. For instance, the perpetrator is a drinking buddy with her manager, or he plays golf with her manager or he is a married man with children and she knows his wife from company parties. It is difficult for women to get hired in the high-tech industry to begin with, so they don't want to rock the boat. They feel they need to suck it up and take it like a man. When they do get hired, they are likely earning an above average salary and they could perhaps be a single parent so they don't want to jeopardize their way of life. Perpetrators pick their victims very well! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 First of all, this isn't a leftie or rightie issue. It affects women of all political parties. And believe it or not, the Canadian workplace does indeed have sexual harassment ocurring against women everyday. I work in the high-tech industry and I see it happening quite often. Women do not report it until it becomes excruciatingly unbearable. There are many reasons for women not to report these issues. For instance, the perpetrator is a drinking buddy with her manager, or he plays golf with her manager or he is a married man with children and she knows his wife from company parties. It is difficult for women to get hired in the high-tech industry to begin with, so they don't want to rock the boat. They feel they need to suck it up and take it like a man. When they do get hired, they are likely earning an above average salary and they could perhaps be a single parent so they don't want to jeopardize their way of life. Perpetrators pick their victims very well! Uhmmm, I hope you mean metaphorically! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 Uhmmm, I hope you mean metaphorically! I can see you contemplated my response to the best of your ability. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 I can see you contemplated my response to the best of your ability. . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 . I mean for god's sake. Can't they open their minds just a little bit. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) I mean for god's sake. Can't they open their minds just a little bit.I think that may be a maturation issue. All this SEXUAL talk has them disoriented, attentions elsewhere than minds. Sexually harassing someone in a discussion on sexual harassment ... :/ Like I said ... perps are everywhere. . Edited November 15, 2014 by jacee Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 I think that may be a maturation issue. All this SEXUAL talk has them disoriented. . Uhmmm, I hope you mean metaphorically! Exactly! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 C'mon, the joke was just hanging there, I had to say something...relax. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 C'mon, the joke was just hanging there, I had to say something...relax. No, you are back peddling. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) C'mon, the joke was just hanging there, I had to say something...relax.ARE YOU 12 ??!! Do you not know how to communicate decently with women? That's not a joke. It's an inappropriate, UNWELCOME sexual comment ... aka sexual harassment. Like I said ... perps are everywhere!! . Edited November 15, 2014 by jacee Quote
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 I can see you contemplated my response to the best of your ability. Ouch. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 C'mon, the joke was just hanging there, I had to say something...relax. There was no joke hanging there, but you did find something to say. I wouldn't relax too much were I you. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) WoW! You guys are intense! Edited November 15, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Charles Anthony Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 When necessary.None of your personal attacks are necessary. Stop making personal comments. Anybody who posts even the slightest hint of a personal comment will take a vacation. If you can not move on to discuss the issue without making the discussion personal, then do not post. Ch. A. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 None of your personal attacks are necessary. Stop making personal comments. Anybody who posts even the slightest hint of a personal comment will take a vacation. If you can not move on to discuss the issue without making the discussion personal, then do not post. Ch. A. Charles the real issue is back a page or so: Hal making an unwelcome sexually inappropriate comment.. Quote
Charles Anthony Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 No. The real issue is that you (or whoever may have found the allegedly inappropriate comment to be offensive) should have reported it, ignored it and moved on. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jacee Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 No. The real issue is that you (or whoever may have found the allegedly inappropriate comment to be offensive) should have reported it, ignored it and moved on.I did report it.I never ignore sexual harassment. It's a learning opportunity for them. . Quote
Argus Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 No. The real issue is that you (or whoever may have found the allegedly inappropriate comment to be offensive) should have reported it, ignored it and moved on. There's a rule against making tasteless jokes? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Charles Anthony Posted November 15, 2014 Report Posted November 15, 2014 No. The real issue is that you (or whoever may have found the allegedly inappropriate comment to be offensive) should have reported it, ignored it and moved on.I did report it.Good. Now ignore it, move on and do not respond in kind. There's a rule against making tasteless jokes?No. That is not the issue. The real issue is that SOME FOLKS should have reported it*, IGNORED it* and MOVED ON. * it = what they perceive to be trolling or a violation of the rules. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
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