Our Disloyal President

[BubberMiley]

No objection, just pointing out this was a CanCon-free thread until you brought you obsession/troll act into it.

It was kind of a trolly thread to begin with. Unlike the typical topic degradation, this one didn't have far to drop.

[bush_cheney2004]

So where is the love for President Obama ? Gosh you guys are a fickle bunch.

[Black Dog]

FWIW Canada's role in the 1979-80 hostage crisis was extremely constructive. I read the book called Argo which discussed in detail Canada's role in exfiltrating a group of hostages.

Who gives a shit?

Point is: you're OP is the kind of silliness I'd expect from a Shady cut and paste from Brietbart or some other conspiracy theory-spawning cesspool.

Anyone, let alone a so-called "liberal Democrat" who seriously suggests the president is a traitor because he didn't do....something (the OP is silent on what course of action should have been taken to secure the two hostages) and is therefore "craving the acceptance" of Islamic militants (even as his administration has waged a non-stop campaign of extrajudicial assassinations against the same people (including a notable one just this week) is delusional or a troll. So which is it?

[On Guard for Thee]

Canadians by the millions wanted to vote for candidate and President Obama.

Objection overruled.....

They're standing by now to do you guys a favor and vote Hillary in. Jusy so you don't end up with another Bush/Cheney horrorshow.

[sharkman]

The Argo incident was a proud moment for Canadians, though I'm not sure how much credit we can take. The movie was better than average and they did a really good job of recreating the era.

Anyway, Obama has shown his true colors enough times that he's about to lose the Senate.

[Argus]

Early on, our President, B. Hussein Obama declared that the he viewed the U.S. as being exceptional the same way that, for example, Greeks viewed their country as being exceptional. His world view has been to place the U.S. as one nation among many, rather than as a country with something special to offer the world.

Every country is 'special' to its own residents. I think he was just trying to inject some adult maturity into the subject. The US is much bigger than any other western democratic state, with commensurate worldwide economic interests it needs to protect. For this reason it's been far more active on the international front in attempting to stabilize situations and manipulate geopolitics so it comes out in its own interests. This has generally been a good thing for the west, though not necessarily for others.

Now, he readily concedes that he has no strategy for fighting ISIS.

Who does, honestly? McCain? Do you think Americans would tolerate sending American ground troops in to fight ISIS to save Iraq because the Iraqis themselves are too chickenshir to fight?

He apparently does not desire one either. After expressing grief that a reporter's head was hacked off, he heads straight for the golf course.

What did you do, go and sit in a corner for a couple of days and cry? I have a feeling you tsk, tsked, and went on about your life like the rest of us.

Of course, in his case he probably also gave an order to find out who these guys were, and to up the missile strikes on ISIS first.

The country is at war, albeit one that it hasn't chosen, with forces that hate the West. His sole action, when two citizens' heads are cut off, is to issue weak condemnations, and threats to bring the perpetrators to "justice." As though a U.S. Federal Court is something that they fear.

Actually, Obama's threats of justice are usually meted out by drone strikes. Ask the head of Al Shabaab, or the previous head of Al Shabaab.

[Big Guy]

Right.....Canada is often involved in such things without Canadians knowing about it. This is just how it works for a populace that prefers not to know about the dirtywork of its government but can cite song and verse about U.S. foreign policy....because it's on American TV !

Aha! Another insult to Canadians from the Putin plant. Another attempt to make Canadians peeved. This Russian plant states that Canadians prefer not to know about what its own government is doing but look to the USA for direction.

Canadians are supposed to get upset with this insult and blame our friends in the USA.

Listen "bush_cheney2004", (or should I say Boris or Natasha), no American worth his citizenship would go out of his way to undermine Canadian/USA relations.

Your attempt to alienate Americans from Canadians on this site is not going to work.

Перейти дома. не будет работать.

[jbg]

Who gives a shit?

Point is: you're OP is the kind of silliness I'd expect from a Shady cut and paste from Brietbart or some other conspiracy theory-spawning cesspool.

Anyone, let alone a so-called "liberal Democrat" who seriously suggests the president is a traitor because he didn't do....something (the OP is silent on what course of action should have been taken to secure the two hostages) and is therefore "craving the acceptance" of Islamic militants (even as his administration has waged a non-stop campaign of extrajudicial assassinations against the same people (including a notable one just this week) is delusional or a troll. So which is it?

I could do without reading your personal attacks.

[jbg]

Who does, honestly? McCain? Do you think Americans would tolerate sending American ground troops in to fight ISIS to save Iraq because the Iraqis themselves are too chickenshir to fight?

What do you think would have happened circa the turn of the last century if "savages" or "natives" cut off the heads of some missionaries in Africa or Asia? Wars need not be fought surgically so that the losses by the Western country are politically unacceptable. While we're at it why not use mercenaries?

There is no law that every time the West fights it has to be in a manner designed to bring on a domestic or "world opinion" firestorm.

[Bob Macadoo]

I could do without reading your personal attacks.

Ask what Comrade Moonbox thinks of those who "can't stand the heat...."

[jbg]

Ask what Comrade Moonbox thinks of those who "can't stand the heat...."

If you can't win the argument, attack the poster?

[Bob Macadoo]

If you can't win the argument, attack the poster?

I think both items were accomplished though......could of been without the insults but if you start an inflammatory OP what did you think would happen? Or are you a Soviet infiltrator like BC? ; l

[jbg]

I think both items were accomplished though......could of been without the insults but if you start an inflammatory OP what did you think would happen? Or are you a Soviet infiltrator like BC? ; l

Did I attack any poster in the OP? And I attack BC 2004 more than any other poster.

Next?

Edited September 6, 2014 by jbg

[Argus]

What do you think would have happened circa the turn of the last century if "savages" or "natives" cut off the heads of some missionaries in Africa or Asia?

They used to say a Roman citizen could walk anywhere in the world because everyone knew that if he was harmed Rome would slaughter everyone within miles around.

You can't get away with that any more. Presidents in this century do not have the freedom that Presidents had a century ago. None of the voting public gave a damn how many innocent civilians died when Teddy Roosevelt used his big damned stick. Today they and the press would be screaming bloody murder.

There is no law that every time the West fights it has to be in a manner designed to bring on a domestic or "world opinion" firestorm.

There haven't been a lot of firestorms over Obama's targeted drone attacks, but if you want to send ground troops into Iraq in any kind of numbers you're going to see an awful lot of complaints. Most Americans support air attacks, but they won't support more Americans being blown up by IEDs to save people who used to blow them up with IEDs.

[Bob Macadoo]

Did I attack any poster in the OP? And I attack BC 2004 more than any other poster.Next?

I thought I was clear...I guess my cyrillic keys weren't working.

[kimmy]

Well this is certainly one of the stupidest threads to land at MLW in quite some time.

Point is: you're OP is the kind of silliness I'd expect from a Shady cut and paste from Brietbart or some other conspiracy theory-spawning cesspool.

I was thinking more like WorldNutDaily. WND has been loudly promoting this Obama = traitor idea the past couple of days.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-obama-may-orchestrate-terrorist-strike-against-us-give-isis-base-new-mexico

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alan-keyes-obama-funding-isis-wage-war-people-united-states

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/wnd-columnist-voting-democratic-comes-close-being-treason

-k

[jbg]

They used to say a Roman citizen could walk anywhere in the world because everyone knew that if he was harmed Rome would slaughter everyone within miles around.

You can't get away with that any more. Presidents in this century do not have the freedom that Presidents had a century ago. None of the voting public gave a damn how many innocent civilians died when Teddy Roosevelt used his big damned stick. Today they and the press would be screaming bloody murder.

Maybe the public needs some education. I guess they just haven't learned after the ISIS beheadings, September 11, the Olympic attacks, Lockerbie, and, and....

There haven't been a lot of firestorms over Obama's targeted drone attacks, but if you want to send ground troops into Iraq in any kind of numbers you're going to see an awful lot of complaints. Most Americans support air attacks, but they won't support more Americans being blown up by IEDs to save people who used to blow them up with IEDs.

Obama's enjoyed a certain amount of immunity from the press.

[jbg]

I thought I was clear...I guess my cyrillic keys weren't working.

You called my OP inflammatory.

[Bob Macadoo]

Yes....see responses by BD & kimmy.

[jbg]

Well this is certainly one of the stupidest threads to land at MLW in quite some time.

I was thinking more like WorldNutDaily. WND has been loudly promoting this Obama = traitor idea the past couple of days.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-obama-may-orchestrate-terrorist-strike-against-us-give-isis-base-new-mexico

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alan-keyes-obama-funding-isis-wage-war-people-united-states

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/wnd-columnist-voting-democratic-comes-close-being-treason

-k

I didn't see it or read it. The genesis of the post was a discussion with a friend who suggested that the House impeach and Senate remove him. I pointed out to this friend that such an effort was utterly quixotic.

[kimmy]

I didn't see it or read it. The genesis of the post was a discussion with a friend who suggested that the House impeach and Senate remove him. I pointed out to this friend that such an effort was utterly quixotic.

Is your friend, by any chance, named Allen West, Alan Keyes, or Erik Rush?

-k

[kimmy]

In 2004 when Muslim kooks beheaded American hostages, nobody seemed to think it was G.W, Bush's fault.

On and on it goes, as the blame-America finger pointing takes up hour after hour of programming. The Washington Times' Charles Hurt on Wednesday wanted to know when Obama would stop acting like a community organizer and start hunting down the killers. Charles Krauthammer condemned Obama for not rising to the occasion, while former Vice President Dick Cheney appeared on Fox to claim world leaders see the president as "weak and ineffective" in the wake of the most recent beheading.

That last part is telling because in the spring of 2004, when Cheney was vice president and the misbegotten war he championed was raging in Iraq, two American citizens, Nick Berg and Paul Johnson, were also kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and were also beheaded for the world to see. But of course, Cheney didn't see that as a sign of President Bush's weakness and ineffectiveness, and neither did the White House's loyal band of professional defenders at Fox News.

Even six years into Obama's presidency, it's still stunning to see how radically different Fox presents the news and frames its commentary based entirely on which party controls the White House. When Bush was president, Fox talkers urged that Americans come together and support the administration as it battled lawless killers ("murders," "sadists," "savages") who decapitated Americans.

In 2004, Fox hosted long conversations about the beheadings and Bush's name was often never even mentioned. He was a non-player in the story. But today, the beheadings revolve around Obama.

With a Democratic president, many of those same 2004 talkers now turn their attention, and their wrath, to Pennsylvania Avenue and use the deaths as a cudgel to bash the president as being impotent -- i.e. "He didn't prevent the deaths!" Of course neither did Bush, but the Fox rules of propaganda were different for him.

-k

[jbg]

Is your friend, by any chance, named Allen West, Alan Keyes, or Erik Rush?

-k

No. A close personal friend whose name I will not divulge.

[jbg]

In 2004 when Muslim kooks beheaded American hostages, nobody seemed to think it was G.W, Bush's fault.

In 2004, Fox hosted long conversations about the beheadings and Bush's name was often never even mentioned. He was a non-player in the story. But today, the beheadings revolve around Obama.

Back then, these same geniuses attacking Bush were making it politically hard for him to respond appropriately. Now they run the White House.

[Remiel]

I wonder at what point trying to undermine your President with racist and xenophobic slanders counts as giving aid to the enemy. That could be a great recruiting tool right there: The Americans hate Muslims so much they accuse their President of being one because of his name! Any unlike many of the other batshit crazy religious psychobabble bullshit they spout, they would be 100% correct about the existence of such hatred.