Ferguson unrest

[Mighty AC]

So, you find it a coincidence that some of the protesters just happened to be carrying molotov cocktails, guns and bandanas?

I believe Missouri is an open carry state.

[Mighty AC]

Nobody from the convenience store reported a theft. It seems that the police may have invented the line to defame Mike Brown. The store owners have come forward and said, a customer called the police and the police did not obtain their video of Brown until well after he was dead. Police were not looking for a thief at the time.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322560/-Ferguson-Store-Owner-Says-NO-ONE-From-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft?detail=facebook

Was this a deceitful attempt by the police to reframe this tragedy in their favour?

[Hal 9000]

Good news! I wasn't sure whether I should take my molotov cocktails next time I visit St. Louis.

[Hal 9000]

Nobody from the convenience store reported a theft. It seems that the police may have invented the line to defame Mike Brown. The store owners have come forward and said, a customer called the police and the police did not obtain their video of Brown until well after he was dead. Police were not looking for a thief at the time.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322560/-Ferguson-Store-Owner-Says-NO-ONE-From-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft?detail=facebook

Was this a deceitful attempt by the police to reframe this tragedy in their favour?

That's exactly what I'd say too.

[Mighty AC]

I hope investigators inspect the police dispatch logs. It shouldn't be too hard to learn if a call was made to Wilson, regarding a petty theft, prior to the murder of Mike Brown.

As someone that worked retail in my youth I know that Canadian cops do not respond quickly to robbery reports, even when made by store owners or employees. Plus, they originally claimed Wilson approached Brown for jaywalking. Why start off with such a weak reason for confrontation, if they were in fact investigating a robbery? Now add the testimony of the store owners and it appears the "theft" story line was damage control. If true, this is really bad news for the police department and their credibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-dtHoCZ-o

[On Guard for Thee]

You're presuming the bullets circumnavigated the earth and hit him from the opposite direction? I don't believe hand guns have that kind of range, and even if they did that cop would have to be a heck of a shot...

I presume nothing. I don't know why some people have such a hard time understanding simple things, but I am done explaining it.

[Shady]

I hope investigators inspect the police dispatch logs. It shouldn't be too hard to learn if a call was made to Wilson, regarding a petty theft, prior to the murder of Mike Brown.

As someone that worked retail in my youth I know that Canadian cops do not respond quickly to robbery reports, even when made by store owners or employees. Plus, they originally claimed Wilson approached Brown for jaywalking. Why start off with such a weak reason for confrontation, if they were in fact investigating a robbery? Now add the testimony of the store owners and it appears the "theft" story line was damage control. If true, this is really bad news for the police department and their credibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-dtHoCZ-o

It's now been confirmed by several sources, Brown and his friend were walking in the middle of the street when the officer asked them to stop blocking traffic. There's also confirmation that the gun when off in the officers car, while Brown was struggling with the officer. Furthermore, the officer suffered severe head woulds and was almost beaten unconcious by Brown. So much for your hero.

[Mighty AC]

It's now been confirmed by several sources, Brown and his friend were walking in the middle of the street when the officer asked them to stop blocking traffic. There's also confirmation that the gun when off in the officers car, while Brown was struggling with the officer. Furthermore, the officer suffered severe head woulds and was almost beaten unconcious by Brown. So much for your hero.

I didn't post anything about the ideas you touched on in this post. When choosing to finally release the name of the cop involved, officials also tied the incident to an alleged robbery. Now, it appears that story line may have been a lie. If the police acted in an appropriate manner based on the situation, why then would they need to smear the victim? If it is true the police department should be able to release evidence of the dispatch call to Wilson and clear this up immediately. If they can't clear this up it seriously harms their credibility.

[Shady]

Dorian Johnson admits to comitting robbery with Michael Brown.

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/

[Hal 9000]

I didn't post anything about the ideas you touched on in this post. When choosing to finally release the name of the cop involved, officials also tied the incident to an alleged robbery. Now, it appears that story line may have been a lie. If the police acted in an appropriate manner based on the situation, why then would they need to smear the victim? If it is true the police department should be able to release evidence of the dispatch call to Wilson and clear this up immediately. If they can't clear this up it seriously harms their credibility.

I think the chief said all along that the reason for pulling them over was not about the robbery. He said that Wilson, from what he understood, heard the call about the robbery during the initial contact with Brown. This is old news.

[GostHacked]

I think the chief said all along that the reason for pulling them over was not about the robbery. He said that Wilson, from what he understood, heard the call about the robbery during the initial contact with Brown. This is old news.

This is correct.

[Mighty AC]

I think the chief said all along that the reason for pulling them over was not about the robbery. He said that Wilson, from what he understood, heard the call about the robbery during the initial contact with Brown. This is old news.

Sorry, this was news to me. I thought the story was Brown was approached because he was a suspect.

[GostHacked]

Sorry, this was news to me. I thought the story was Brown was approached because he was a suspect.

That is one part that seems to be consistent in the story. The cop who stopped Brown was not aware that he was involved in a robbery. Not sure why he was stopped, but the robbery was not the reason.

[jacee]

It's now been confirmed by several sources, Brown and his friend were walking in the middle of the street when the officer asked them to stop blocking traffic. There's also confirmation that the gun when off in the officers car, while Brown was struggling with the officer. Furthermore, the officer suffered severe head woulds and was almost beaten unconcious by Brown. So much for your hero.

You don't have to be a hero to deserve better than being killed by police.

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What did the cop arrest him and put him in the car for?

Walking while black?

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[Hal 9000]

You don't have to be a hero to deserve better than being killed by police.

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What did the cop arrest him and put him in the car for?

Walking while black?

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This post is so "out there" it's embarrassing.

[BubberMiley]

It's now been confirmed by several sources, Brown and his friend were walking in the middle of the street when the officer asked them to stop blocking traffic. There's also confirmation that the gun when off in the officers car, while Brown was struggling with the officer. Furthermore, the officer suffered severe head woulds and was almost beaten unconcious by Brown. So much for your hero.

You should source your "confirmations " so we know they aren't just the usual random conservative bloggers spewing bullcrap for the gullible. I believe the correct API citation would be (my ass, 2014).

[dre]

About 13% of the population of the USA is black. About 50% of homicide victims are black. About 90% of those black homicide victims are killed by somebody black. That must mean that ....?

Must mean those pesky niggers are skewing America's crime stats! ROFLMAO

[Black Dog]

So, you find it a coincidence that some of the protesters just happened to be carrying molotov cocktails, guns and bandanas?

Source?

[Black Dog]

You should source your "confirmations " so we know they aren't just the usual random conservative bloggers spewing bullcrap for the gullible. I believe the correct API citation would be (my ass, 2014).

Here's a Fox News story on it (bearing in mind your ass might be a better source).

Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”

And here I thought the Ferguson PD was too busy to tell their side of the story.

In any case, pretty amazing that a guy on the verge of blacking out was able to put two in the brain from several feet away.

[Black Dog]

He was carrying a knife, the cops asked him to drop it many times. Instead he kept walking towards the cops with the knife held up. The cops only shot him when he was within 4 feet, it's hard to blame them for that. However, when police Tasers have a maximum range of 35 feet, I have to wonder why one couldn't have been used in this situation.

This is re: the Kajieme Powell shooting. Video released today shows that Powell was walking towards the cops at normal speed with his hands at his side and appears to be much further than the three or four feet reported (the first shot is fired when he's at least 10 feet away). The time elapsed between cops arriving on the scene to the first shot being fired is about 20 seconds. No attempt was made to deescalate the situation or engage Powell. One false move and you're dead.

[Mighty AC]

This is re: the Kajieme Powell shooting. Video released today shows that Powell was walking towards the cops at normal speed with his hands at his side and appears to be much further than the three or four feet reported (the first shot is fired when he's at least 10 feet away). The time elapsed between cops arriving on the scene to the first shot being fired is about 20 seconds. No attempt was made to deescalate the situation or engage Powell. One false move and you're dead.

So very sad. That situation was nothing like the police description of it. Again, the cops showed up with weapons drawn and pointed. Why are they being trained to respond this way?

[bush_cheney2004]

Because they want to project overwhelming force and control. It's the exact same process used when a non-compliant citizen resists detention and arrest. Police will counter any escalation with equal and usually more force to control the scene. It's not complicated.

[Black Dog]

Because they want to project overwhelming force and control. It's the exact same process used when a non-compliant citizen resists detention and arrest. Police will counter any escalation with equal and usually more force to control the scene. It's not complicated.

No shit Sherlock. The issue is whether that is an appropriate response in every situation.

[bush_cheney2004]

No shit Sherlock. The issue is whether that is an appropriate response in every situation.

Thank you for your interesting response. I am sure that after careful consideration of such matters it will be abundantly obvious to even you as to when such tactics are deployed by law enforcement and /or held in reserve lest they be criticized for not properly managing the public safety risk. I look forward to your learned and expert perspective on police responses to public unrest around the world.

[Black Dog]

Looks like the troll got a new shtick and it only took, what, 7 years?