On Guard for Thee Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Where does it confirm you your suggestion that Brown was shot from the back, turned around, and was shot from the front? The POINT is, the autopsy confirms NOTHING other than how many times he was hit, where he was hit, and which hit killed him. Nothing more. Quote
eyeball Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Exactly. A digital record of events is the only possible means of determining what might have really happened. Preferably a record from multiple points of view. Everyone should be recording what is happening around them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
guyser Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 They need to reimpose a curfew then the cops should move in and bust heads and arrested EVERYONE they find on the street at midnight, including the media.Bad idea, people tend not to like violations, and gross violations, of their rights . Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 The POINT is, the autopsy confirms NOTHING other than how many times he was hit, where he was hit, and which hit killed him. Nothing more. Didn't the autopsy confirm the bullet entry points being on Brown's front? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Exactly. A digital record of events is the only possible means of determining what might have really happened. Preferably a record from multiple points of view. Everyone should be recording what is happening around them. Nope...what does "digital" have to do with it ? There are many ways to determine what happened in the way of conflicting and corroborating evidence to be considered by the grand jury and courts.....long the standard in such things. Life existed before YouTube. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Because a cop, sitting in his car, with a gun at his side, is a bit of a different scenario than a small middle aged unarmed shop owner? Perps reaching for a cop's gun is not unheard of at all. In fact, one of the police's main concerns about their equipment is balance of how they get out their gun quickly, yet make it hard for assailants. You and I may never consider such a thing, but it happens - it happened less than a week ago in LA. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
guyser Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 There are many ways to determine what happened in the way of conflicting and corroborating evidence to be considered by the grand jury and courts.....long the standard in such things. Life existed before YouTube.Your wilful ignorance is astounding , not to mention pathetic and only as a ruse for trolling . One wouldnt expect you to know of the Cherry Beach Express , or the astounding number if iterations that exist(ed) but Police are well known to have had these avenues available. With recording, they are lessened immensely. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Didn't the autopsy confirm the bullet entry points being on Brown's front? Perhaps try this. Look at palm of your hand. Now shoot a bullet through it. Now look at the back of your hand. Shoot a bullet through it. Now I bet you are able to achieve both these tasks without reorienting your body, other than your hand. Now, could a pathologist who wasn't there then prove that you turned your hand over to shoot the other side or that you perhaps just moved the gun to the other side of your hand for the second wound. Answer...no. PS-this is for clarification only, do not actually do it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Your wilful ignorance is astounding , not to mention pathetic and only as a ruse for trolling . Thank you for you interesting response. We always look forward to your inane comments and personal attacks as assurance that some well deserved misfortune has not yet befallen you. Peace be with you, and keep your eyes on the prize, because yours is so damn boring. Edited August 20, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Nope...what does "digital" have to do with it ? There are many ways to determine what happened in the way of conflicting and corroborating evidence... That's right, a digital record would just be one more piece of evidence. I just happen to think it could be a more timely piece of evidence that when used appropriately might prevent the sort of reaction we've seen in the wake of Ferguson. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Mighty AC Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 It also casts some doubt onto the report of injury to the officer. He doesn't seem to be nursing anything serious in the moments directly after the shooting. True. In the video he doesn't seem to be noticeably injured. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Mighty AC Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Where does it confirm you your suggestion that Brown was shot from the back, turned around, and was shot from the front? More than one witness from the apartment complex reported that Wilson fired shots as Brown ran away. He was then gunned down when he stopped and turned to face Wilson. http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/08/18/newday-intv-ferguson-shooting-crenshaw.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mapleleafweb.com%2Fforums%2Ftopic%2F23861-ferguson-unrest%2Fpage-36 Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Hal 9000 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 True. In the video he doesn't seem to be noticeably injured. Yes, but as any ambulance driver will attest, people get injured all the time and don't realize the severity of it until much later. A person can walk away from a major car crash with broken ribs, fractured vertebrae...whatever and and not even know it. That's why everyone after a (major) auto wreck gets a coller and goes to the hospital. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 More than one witness from the apartment complex reported that Wilson fired shots as Brown ran away. He was then gunned down when he stopped and turned to face Wilson. http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/08/18/newday-intv-ferguson-shooting-crenshaw.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mapleleafweb.com%2Fforums%2Ftopic%2F23861-ferguson-unrest%2Fpage-36 They also said he was shot in the back...but anyway. If the first shot to the arm happened while he was running away, when did the other 3 to the arm hit him? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Mighty AC Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 They also said he was shot in the back...but anyway. If the first shot to the arm happened while he was running away, when did the other 3 to the arm hit him? For witnesses it is probably hard to tell which shots hit and which missed. They do report shots being fired at his back and say he was shot repeatedly when he turned to face Wilson. This scenario matches multiple witness reports and that of the pathologist. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
scribblet Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 From what I've seen I agree, the media http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/20/police-official-ferguson-media-coverage-unbalanced-focused-on-protestors/ ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – A St. Louis County police official says there are two sides to every story – but both are not receiving equal treatment in news coverage. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Hal 9000 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) For witnesses it is probably hard to tell which shots hit and which missed. They do report shots being fired at his back and say he was shot repeatedly when he turned to face Wilson. This scenario matches multiple witness reports and that of the pathologist. It doesn't match what the pathologist said...but whatever. Sure, out of 6 entry points you could say "well if he was turned just right this one could've entered from the rear", and if that was the only entry, then maybe. Anyway, considering that there were 4 shots to the arm, it makes more sense that they all came while Brown was facing in the same direction. For your hypothesis to be accurate, Wilson had to squeeze off the shot to the arm - pause while Brown turned around - re-aimed 3feet to the left and about 1 foot (or more) higher and squeezed of 3 more shots hitting that same arm. This is apparently from 35 feet and a stationary (at this point) target. Now, the first time my 13YO kid picked up a 9mm, they were able to pick out the eyes of a zombie from 50 feet. I believe that common sense would show that all 4 shots to the same general area came rapidly, without a re-aim, while Brown was facing Wilson. I believe that Wilson aimed for the arm area in a attempt to stop Brown, when that didn't work, he re-aimed and went for the biggest mass striking his head as his head dropped. Edited August 20, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
guyser Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 Thank you for you interesting response.You should agree, afterall, wilful ignorance on display should be called out. For on to think, or casually toss off, the 'many ways ' line , in light of what people now can easily conclude, that cops have had breaks for eons without retribution is pretty funny. We always look forward to your inane comments and personal attacks aWilful ignorance is not a personal attack, it s a description of what you are doing. Thin skinned....shhesh. and keep your eyes on the prize, because yours is so damn boring.Want boring? Move to Minnesota. ...oh wait.... Quote
Black Dog Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) From what I've seen I agree, the media http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/20/police-official-ferguson-media-coverage-unbalanced-focused-on-protestors/ ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – A St. Louis County police official says there are two sides to every story – but both are not receiving equal treatment in news coverage. What a crocker of shit. He says shouting, angry protestors have been receiving the lion’s share of media coverage in Ferguson, Mo. “But what if I told you that that guy was throwing a Molotav cocktail five seconds before that picture was taken, or throwing a rock and injuring an officer?” he asks. I'd ask you to prove it. Crocker also believes talking about the “militarization of police” is prejudicial against the officers who are trying to enforce the peace in Ferguson. Oh I guess those tough guy cops in jungle camo aiming rifles at protesters from the tops of armored personnel carriers are just normal guys off to the Dunkin' Donuts? He says local police have been so busy trying to keep the peace in North St. Louis County, they haven’t had a chance to tell their side of the story. They don't have a public affairs officer for this? Or is he or she moonlighting as a stormtrooper this week? Edited August 20, 2014 by Black Dog Quote
eyeball Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) What a crocker of shit. I'd ask you to prove it. No kidding. I find it incredulous that Ferguson police are still not recording events from their perspective to counter whats being recorded and presented by others. Edited August 20, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Mighty AC Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) It doesn't match what the pathologist said...but whatever. Sure, out of 6 entry points you could say "well if he was turned just right this one could've entered from the rear", and if that was the only entry, then maybe. The coroner's report stated that 6 shots hit Brown....the graze wounds could have happened when Brown was facing either direction. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Autopsy-reveals-Michael-Brown-shot-SIX-times-confrontation-police-officer.html#v-3736277574001 Edited August 20, 2014 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Black Dog Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Posted August 20, 2014 A poor hard working guy just trying to enforce the peace. Quote
guyser Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) A poor hard working guy just trying to enforce the peace.But you have to understand that without video of such stupidity of that cop 'There are many ways to determine what happened in the way of conflicting and corroborating evidence to be considered by the grand jury and courts." You laughing too ? Nice to hear that cop has been sent packing . He will no longer be in Ferguson. Of course he shouldnt qualify for dog catcher let alone parking officer , but he has been moved. And of course, you or I would be in jail, ah but for the thin blue line. Edited August 20, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 What a crocker of shit. I'd ask you to prove it. Oh I guess those tough guy cops in jungle camo aiming rifles at protesters from the tops of armored personnel carriers are just normal guys off to the Dunkin' Donuts? They don't have a public affairs officer for this? Or is he or she moonlighting as a stormtrooper this week? And if the police don't act, don't go out and protect people what then? Oh yeah, "see, these cops won't protect us, they hate us, if this was a white neighbourhood....". Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Posted August 20, 2014 The coroner's report stated that 6 shots hit Brown....the graze wounds could have happened when Brown was facing either direction. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727568/Autopsy-reveals-Michael-Brown-shot-SIX-times-confrontation-police-officer.html#v-3736277574001 Ok, I thought you were suggesting the "shot while running away" theory. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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