bush_cheney2004 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 They're already down here every day for cross-border shopping. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 They're already down here every day for cross-border shopping. <facepalm/> Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hal 9000 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 The NRA would have jumped all over this if this were a white kid shot dead. They'd be shouting from the rooftops, 'get your guns because we need to defend ourselves from the militarized police force.' This is a perfect opportunity for them to do some grandstanding, but they are strangely so very quiet. Do you remember this incident? No? Justice for Trayvon Martin? How about Justice for James Whitehead? James Whitehead was a white veteran who had recently come back from war. Orange, TX Police Officer Robert Arnold (who has a history of violence) shot and killed unarmed James Whitehead. Arnold is black. Arnold was not in his uniform and did not have a badge. Whitehead got into a verbal altercation about a bad part for his vehicle. James Whitehead did not ever get violent or attack Arnold or anyone else. Whitehead was wrong to get into a verbal altercation but at most he would have gotten a ticket and a fine. Whitehead decided to stop arguing and just leave and that is when Arnold shot the unarmed man dead right on the spot. Arnold was fired for the incident and for his other violent past incidents. Even Arnold's fellow police officers wanted Arnold to be charged with murder. Arnold was never charged and got away with murder. Arnold has enlisted race baiter Lawyer Cade Bernsen (the white Al Sharpton) to sue the city claiming he was fired because he was black and not because he shot an unarmed white man. Why is there no outrage or protests from Al Sharpton for the countless times a black person kills an unarmed White, Hispanic or Black person? There was outrage when an unarmed black Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by half-white/half-Hispanic George Zimmerman. People claimed Trayvon was shot because of race, even though Trayvon attacked and was beating Zimmerman. Even half-white/half-black President Obama got involved and said if Trayvon was white then he never would have been killed? Really? So unarmed white people have never been killed? Really? Does the President live under a rock? It happens all the time. James Whitehead is just one example. I previously wrote a detailed article about Robert Arnold killing James Whitehead. In light of the current Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman events, I have posted the full story below for all to read about what happened and how Arnold got away with murder: Police Officers Say Orange, TX Cop Wrongfully Killed Unarmed War Hero over Racial Slur, Now Killer Wants Back on the Force. A former Orange, Texas cop is currently trying to force the Orange Police Department to give him his job back, while at the same time, a Police Officer who worked with him wants him charged in killing the unarmed man. Plus, other officers say the investigation was rigged and falsified which led to the first grand jury handing down a no-bill. This police officer in question is Robert Arnold. Arnold (who is black) shot and killed James Whitehead (who is white). Whitehead was unarmed and sitting in his truck when he was shot. Witnesses say that Whitehead was shot in cold blood by Arnold after Whitehead used a racial slur. - See more at: http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/justice-james-black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-veteran-orange-tx-over-racial-slur-0057061#sthash.JOYTmyAe.dpuf Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Bob Macadoo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 If you’re incapable of having an adult conversation and will resort to mockery (and quotes taken out of context), I’ll leave the floor to you.I'm confused....how was that mockery? Quote
Big Guy Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) I too wonder why there aren't more protests for black on black crime. Watching the Sunday morning political shows. On an American channel panel discussion, one person noted that 13% of the population is black, 50% of homicides have a black as a victim and 90% of those homicides are black on black confrontations. No one challenged those figures so I assume them to be accurate. I think the issue in this case is not specifically the homicide but the colour of the victim and the colour of the shooter. As I recall, something like this happens every few years and then another outrage takes the spotlight elsewhere. Edited August 18, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 For any Canadian that wants to act all indignant over this. I point out the Sammy Yatim murder last year where a kid was essentially executed while contained on a street car. The officer only reason it's news is because there is video of the shooting. The cop was suspended with Full pay and later brought back to do desk duty while awaiting trial. Quote
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 "This seemingly perfect spectacle for NRA outrage—the shooting of an unarmed man, cops with outsized weapons, mass arrests—is flawed for one reason: Michael Brown was African-American. As such, he doesn’t fit the profile of the typical NRA member There's also that Michael Brown was a punk criminal.... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Question : Why was a tazer not used? Quote
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 None of us know what happenned in that police car. We know the cop was hurt. We know Brown was not adverse to throwing his considerable weight around. We know he'd just done a robbery, likely not his first. I don't think it's a stretch to suggest he was less than cooperative with the cop. All we really know is that the kid was shot Do you want to call him "boy"? If I called him boy you'd probably say "Hey, he was a MAN!" In fact, he was a legal adult. So why do people keep calling him a kid? He was six foot four, three hundred pounds. The term 'kid' doesn't fit very well. All we really know is that the kid was shot, was unarmed, and was running from the police car. Really ?What happened to 'he was trying to surrender'? What happened to "He had his hands up'? In fact, we KNOW from the autopsy the family itself did, that he was shot from the front, and that his arms were NOT raised. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Question : Why was a tazer not used? 6'4, 300 lbs That's why. Quote
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 The NRA would have jumped all over this if this were a white kid shot dead. They'd be shouting from the rooftops, 'get your guns because we need to defend ourselves from the militarized police force.' I don't think so. As much as I dislike the NRA they are more of a "Support your local cop" kind of group. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 6'4, 300 lbs That's why. Plus not every cop has a tazer. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 6'4, 300 lbs That's why. It was not even attempted. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Plus not every cop has a tazer. A cop without a tazer? MRAPS and 50 Cals, but no tazer? Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 It was not even attempted. I'm not defending the cops because I don't know how this went down. But I imagine if a guy that size is coming at you, testing the effectiveness of a Tazer on a guy that could start for an NFL team may not be top of mind. Quote
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 A cop without a tazer? MRAPS and 50 Cals, but no tazer? It was a small suburb. I don't know if they had them or not. I know that in many places in Canada, including Toronto and, until recently, Ottawa, ordinary cops don't have tazers. Supervisors have them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 It was a small suburb. I don't know if they had them or not. I know that in many places in Canada, including Toronto and, until recently, Ottawa, ordinary cops don't have tazers. Supervisors have them. Does not seem an effective use of tazers if only the supervisors have them. But even tazers have proven to be lethal. Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Does not seem an effective use of tazers if only the supervisors have them. But even tazers have proven to be lethal. Lots of people don't like the idea of Tazers because it gives the cop an easy method of incapacitating someone. It gives them more a reason not to try to peacefully resolve the situation. Quote
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 I'll say this about rioting and looting. It NEVER stops if you just sit back and watch. Anywhere it's tried, like LA, during the King riots, it just grows. There's a certain mentality out there among a number of people that revels in anarchy where the absence of police allows them to loot and burn to their heart's content. Soft police tactics, and 'understanding' their anger does nothing but encourage more violence. And the longer it goes on the more people will come to join in. The only way it stops is a boot to the head and mass arrests. That's true of almost all such violence, and that includes in Canada. If rioters are burning and looting, you don't cordon off the area and let it burn out. You go in and beat the living hell out of everyone you find on the street and throw their asses into jail. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Lots of people don't like the idea of Tazers because it gives the cop an easy method of incapacitating someone. It gives them more a reason not to try to peacefully resolve the situation. It can also be, and has been, heavily abused, in both the US and Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 If rioters are burning and looting, you don't cordon off the area and let it burn out. You go in and beat the living hell out of everyone you find on the street and throw their asses into jail. Possible agent provocateurs. Same reason they were not beat up at Montebello, possibly same reason they were not rounded up in Toronto at the G20. There is the possibility the provocateurs are police. It's happened before. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 I'm confused....how was that mockery? Posting numerous quotes, all out of context, to create a narrative is in my view mockery and not congruent to adult conversation……….If I was so inclined, I could do the like, and provide snippets from Ghandi, Elvis, Churchill , JFK and Hitler to demonstrate that Brown got what he deserved. Quote
Argus Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Possible agent provocateurs. Same reason they were not beat up at Montebello, possibly same reason they were not rounded up in Toronto at the G20. There is the possibility the provocateurs are police. It's happened before. They could be space aliens, too, but there's no evidence of that. The local cops don't have many blacks they could use as 'agents provocateurs' and I don't think the Highway Patrol has much incentive. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 They could be space aliens, too, but there's no evidence of that. The local cops don't have many blacks they could use as 'agents provocateurs' and I don't think the Highway Patrol has much incentive. I said possible, I did not claim it as fact. Evidence may come later. Quote
Smallc Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 I said possible, I did not claim it as fact. Evidence may come later. Without evidence, where is the possibility? Quote
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