Ferguson unrest

On Guard for Thee · January 28, 2015

Proving once again that "post racist America" is but a dream. Not a lot of real progress down there.

Argus · January 30, 2015

Maybe, but again, the racist assumption that blacks are predisposed to criminality goes back long before such a reputation could consider to be justified.

I wouldn't know. I do know that when even Jesse Jackson says he feels safer when being approached by a group of white men then a group of Black men that there has to be a huge amount of anxiety and fear inspired prejudice towards Blacks among White Americans. Any kind of violent protest, then, would only make the situation worse.

jacee · February 7, 2015

Racism seems to be far less of a factor than an under-trained jumpy cop in this case.

In most cases that go sideways, yes.

So why are there so many under-trained jumpy cops?

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Smallc · February 7, 2015

Because police officers don't ofteb receive enough training for the things they'll have to deal with. They are also trained to see things as sceptics, and it often leads to escalation rather than solutions.

Boges · February 18, 2015

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/18/video-appears-to-show-peel-police-officer-being-attacked-by-two-teenage-girls-outside-a-brampton-high-school/

Would a cop have been within their rights to use lethal force here? Or is the person doing the assault a mitigating factor?

bush_cheney2004 · February 18, 2015

...Would a cop have been within their rights to use lethal force here? Or is the person doing the assault a mitigating factor?

Not immediately, as no lethal weapon was involved that I can see.

Force would be escalated from non-lethals first...call for back-up....yada...yada...yada.

If the officer was armed, and the perps tried to gain control of her sidearm, then perhaps it's game over.

jacee · March 6, 2015

8 horrifying revelations in the Justice Departments Ferguson report[

cybercoma · March 6, 2015

8 horrifying revelations in the Justice Departments Ferguson report[

It doesn't matter. Racism isn't actually a thing, y'know? People like Smallc just don't believe in it, so that means it's not real. Kind of like people who don't believe in evolution. You can just pick and choose what facts you want to believe these days.

Smallc · March 6, 2015

It doesn't matter. Racism isn't actually a thing, y'know? People like Smallc just don't believe in it, so that means it's not real. Kind of like people who don't believe in evolution. You can just pick and choose what facts you want to believe these days.

There are obviously racist people. I have never said otherwise. There are also problemed police departments, and this seems to be one. It may in fact be that a culture of racism exists in this particular department. That didn't seem to be the case in the specific case where the teenager was killed. Life is full of nuance. You should try it sometime. Quit pretending you're the authority of truth and speaking for everyone.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Smallc

LemonPureLeaf · March 6, 2015

It doesn't matter. Racism isn't actually a thing, y'know? People like Smallc just don't believe in it, so that means it's not real. Kind of like people who don't believe in evolution. You can just pick and choose what facts you want to believe these days.

Evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory. Please don't misrepresent your stance. Thank you.

Of course we have racists, we'll always have racists. Oh and btw racists aren't exclusively white either. Just so you know. We have racist Blacks, racist Natives, racist Latinos, racist Orientals....etc...

GostHacked · March 6, 2015

Evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory. Please don't misrepresent your stance. Thank you.

Well at least you are not misrepresenting yourself as intelligent.

guyser · March 6, 2015

Oh and btw racists aren't exclusively white either. Just so you know. We have racist Blacks, racist Natives, racist Latinos, racist Orientals....etc...

...lemonloaf racists.....

eyeball · March 6, 2015

Evolution is definitely a fact. It's the evidence scientists put forth in the theory that explains the origin of species.

jacee · March 6, 2015

Evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory. Please don't misrepresent your stance. Thank you.

Of course we have racists, we'll always have racists. Oh and btw racists aren't exclusively white either. Just so you know. We have racist Blacks, racist Natives, racist Latinos, racist Orientals....etc...

Show me where white people are being criminalized and killed due to racism. :/

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jacee · March 6, 2015

There are obviously racist people. I have never said otherwise. There are also problemed police departments, and this seems to be one. It may in fact be that a culture of racism exists in this particular department.

That's quite an admission from you. We are agreed. (!!)

With the facts of that incident unclear, it is certainly understandable why many people would believe it was racism.

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Smallc · March 7, 2015

That's quite an admission from you. We are agreed. (!!)

With the facts of that incident unclear, it is certainly understandable why many people would believe it was racism.

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I have never said anything otherwise. I reject knee jerk racism calls and the idea of a widespread racist system.

jacee · March 7, 2015

I have never said anything otherwise. I reject knee jerk racism calls and the idea of a widespread racist system.

Smallc

There are obviously racist people. I have never said otherwise. There are also problemed police departments, and this seems to be one. It may in fact be that a culture of racism exists in this particular department.

So are you right or wrong ... seems like you are arguing with yourself.

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Edited March 7, 2015 by jacee

Smallc · March 7, 2015

So are you right or wrong ... seems like you are arguing with yourself.

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There is a theory that the entirety of the system...in the world...is racist. This police department seems to have a problem with racially motivated officers on the job. I'm obviously not saying what you think I'm saying.

LemonPureLeaf · March 7, 2015

There is a theory that the entirety of the system...in the world...is racist. This police department seems to have a problem with racially motivated officers on the job. I'm obviously not saying what you think I'm saying.

This big 250 pound man grabbed the cops gun and got shot. No story here. Don't want to get shot don't attack the police.

On Guard for Thee · March 7, 2015

This big 250 pound man grabbed the cops gun and got shot. No story here. Don't want to get shot don't attack the police.

You sure as hell dont have to attack the police to get shot. Especially in the US.

Shady · March 7, 2015

That's quite an admission from you. We are agreed. (!!)

With the facts of that incident unclear, it is certainly understandable why many people would believe it was racism.

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You owe officer Wilson an apology. Re-read some of the things you said at the beginning, and post accordingly.

Shady · March 7, 2015

A petition in excess of 100k signatures requires a response from the White House in this type of case. The request is for federal prosecution of the case and the petition has far exceeded that number. Now, nobody can twist Obama's arm beyond requiring a response, but it could result in another GJ being convened to rehear this case. Which may be reasonable based on the poor conduct of the last one.

Hey, how'd that federal prosecution go?

Smallc · March 7, 2015

You sure as hell dont have to attack the police to get shot. Especially in the US.

But in this case, he did.

cybercoma · March 7, 2015

I have never said anything otherwise. I reject knee jerk racism calls and the idea of a widespread racist system.

So you don't understand systemic racism then. The system isn't racist. That's reifying the system. The fact of the matter is that there are countless studies that show black people (and other minorities) are at a disadvantage when all other things are equal. From finding jobs, to getting loans, to being stopped by the police, to getting convicted, to longer jail sentences, etc. Even when you take into consideration their income, education, and other sociodemographic factors, all those things being held constant, they're still at a disadvantage. That's what systemic racism is. That has been shown time and time again through demography and econometric analysis. You can sit here and say you don't believe it in it all you want, but you look exactly like the morons who don't believe in evolution every time you say it.

Smallc · March 7, 2015

So you don't understand systemic racism then. The system isn't racist. That's reifying the system. The fact of the matter is that there are countless studies that show black people (and other minorities) are at a disadvantage when all other things are equal.

How could there be such as study? All other things are not equal.