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The majority of Muslims polled want this.

Bully for Dog and the stupid Muslims. The point is that our side is behaving every bit as stupidly and shouldn't be in the ME.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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I dont know what is leprechauns and I am not interested with your belief as long as you dont violate my rights. I cant say whether or not there is leprechauns. I have no idea about it.

Leprechauns are mischievous Irish gnomes, that have a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, spend most of their time alone repairing shoes and like to engage in practical jokes.

Nobody has any actual proof that they exist, but we also cannot definitively prove they do not exist.

There are people who believe in leprechauns without any actual evidence. There are also people who do not believe in leprechauns because there isn't any actual evidence.

So would you consider belief in leprechauns and a lack of belief in leprechauns to be equally credible? Would you say both positions are just beliefs or is there a difference?

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Leprechauns are mischievous Irish gnomes, that have a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, spend most of their time alone repairing shoes and like to engage in practical jokes.

That's where I saw the leprechaun. He told me to burn things.

---Ralph Wiggum

My wife 'believes' in cat ghosts. I think she just misses the cat.

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Leprechauns are mischievous Irish gnomes, that have a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, spend most of their time alone repairing shoes and like to engage in practical jokes. Nobody has any actual proof that they exist, but we also cannot definitively prove they do not exist. There are people who believe in leprechauns without any actual evidence. There are also people who do not believe in leprechauns because there isn't any actual evidence. So would you consider belief in leprechauns and a lack of belief in leprechauns to be equally credible? Would you say both positions are just beliefs or is there a difference? img=http://www.irishfestivals.net/leprechaun2.gif

Its about evidences. If there are evidences, we cant ignore the evidences. If there is no evidence, its just a nonsense.

"You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror

"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror

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Its about evidences. If there are evidences, we cant ignore the evidences. If there is no evidence, its just a nonsense.

That is a fallacy known as Argument from Ignorance. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

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Its about evidences. If there are evidences, we cant ignore the evidences. If there is no evidence, its just a nonsense.

....?????????

What evidence does Islam, or any religion present?

While I agree that absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence, when it comes to religion and how long and carefully it has been studied, I'd have to a say there is religion, but absence of any of its claims.

Therefore it is, as you say, a nonsense.

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Its about evidences. If there are evidences, we cant ignore the evidences. If there is no evidence, its just a nonsense.

There is no evidence of a God other than that which humans created for you.

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Have you ever see that Wendy Wright vs Richard Dawkins thing? Like beating one's head against yon wall.

No, I'll have to look at that.

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Immaculate conception is nonsense. So is Adam and Eve and Noah's ark.

I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou

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Its about evidences. If there are evidences, we cant ignore the evidences. If there is no evidence, its just a nonsense.

Exactly. A lack of belief due to a lack of evidence is not equivalent to holding a belief on faith.

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....?????????

What evidence does Islam, or any religion present?

While I agree that absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence, when it comes to religion and how long and carefully it has been studied, I'd have to a say there is religion, but absence of any of its claims.

Therefore it is, as you say, a nonsense.

There are many evidence about the existence of God. First you need to be honest person agains yourself. We believe in God because we dont ignore the evidences. Look at yourself, look at the nature, its mathematilcally impossible to occur spontaneously. Atheist are just fooling themselves by saying everything occurred by chance. Its ignoring the science.

So if we back to the claim, you cant say there is no God, because its a sentence stating a preciSion, means you are able to prove it while you cant. You only can say you "believe" in there is no God. So its a belief and you cant dictate your belief to others. Such as dictating "secularism" in state administration.

"You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror

"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror

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There are many evidence about the existence of God. First you need to be honest person agains yourself. We believe in God because we dont ignore the evidences. Look at yourself, look at the nature, its mathematilcally impossible to occur spontaneously. Atheist are just fooling themselves by saying everything occurred by chance. Its ignoring the science.

I will defend your right to believe whatever you want, but your ignorance is showing here. However, I will also not accept false claims of evidence for the supernatural. What science shows the existence of anything supernatural, let alone a god? A Nobel prize medal will be engraved with your name if you could produce some.

So if we back to the claim, you cant say there is no God, because its a sentence stating a preciSion, means you are able to prove it while you cant. You only can say you "believe" in there is no God. So its a belief and you cant dictate your belief to others. Such as dictating "secularism" in state administration.

Just like leprechauns. We can't say with precision that they exist, but we don't believe in them due to a lack of evidence in little Irish gnomes or anything supernatural for that matter. Doing so would be nonsense.

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There are many evidence about the existence of God. First you need to be honest person agains yourself. We believe in God because we dont ignore the evidences. Look at yourself, look at the nature, its mathematilcally impossible to occur spontaneously. Atheist are just fooling themselves by saying everything occurred by chance. Its ignoring the science.

So if we back to the claim, you cant say there is no God, because its a sentence stating a preciSion, means you are able to prove it while you cant. You only can say you "believe" in there is no God. So its a belief and you cant dictate your belief to others. Such as dictating "secularism" in state administration.

There is no evidence for God, but much evidence that the universe was created without God. Please state one fact for the existence, and p,ease, no sunrises, eyes, the Black (meteor) Stone that's so hard to touch during Hajj. Just one please.

Is it theory? Yes, but so is gravity, and I believe that one as well.

If you are being hoe st you know it is a nons nose.

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There is no evidence for God, but much evidence that the universe was created without God. Please state one fact for the existence, and p,ease, no sunrises, eyes, the Black (meteor) Stone that's so hard to touch during Hajj. Just one please.

Is it theory? Yes, but so is gravity, and I believe that one as well.

If you are being hoe st you know it is a nons nose.

There are evidences everywhere. For example why sky is blue colored while there are many other colors ? By chance. Is it also by chance that blue color gives happiness, gives a feeling of eternity, relaxes the eyes and calms nerves, helps to balance blood pressure etc. ? Edited by Altai

"You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror

"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror

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There are evidences everywhere. For example why sky is blue colored while there are many other colors ? By chance. Is it also by chance that blue color gives happiness, gives a feeling of eternity, relaxes the eyes and calms nerves, helps to balance blood pressure etc. ?

By chance the sky is blue???

Oh, boy...

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There is no evidence for God, but much evidence that the universe was created without God. Please state one fact for the existence, and p,ease, no sunrises, eyes, the Black (meteor) Stone that's so hard to touch during Hajj. Just one please.

Is it theory? Yes, but so is gravity, and I believe that one as well.

If you are being hoe st you know it is a nons nose.

A scientific "theory" has a different meaning than when we normally talk about a theory.

Something is a scientific "theory" when it has been established. Gravity is not a "theory" in the layman's sense of the word. It is a proven scientific fact.

"There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe."

~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~

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Folks,

Avoid thread drift and avoid trolling.

We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society.

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An interesting column I came across earlier today, though its a few months old it bears reading, especially given so many seem determined to pretend that not only is Islam not dangerous but the Muslims in Canada don't subscribe to any of Islams harsher beliefs. And even when a Muslim tells progressives what is going on the progressives refuse to listen.

In November 2014, while making a deposition before the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, I raised the issue of Islamic clerics using mosque sermons to attack the foundational principles of Western civilization and liberal secular democracy.
Liberal Senator Grant Mitchell was outraged by my testimony that at most Canadian mosques, the Friday congregation includes a ritual prayer asking, “Allah to give victory to Muslims over the ‘Kufaar’ (non-Muslims).”
In a heated exchange with me, the senator suggested I wasn’t telling the truth, implying I was motivated by Islamophobia.
Sadly, Sen. Mitchell is not alone in such views.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/05/24/canada-home-to-islamic-radicals

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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