Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Some good news today! A bunch of busy-body atheists lost their pathetic court challenge to the famous 9/11 cross that's to be part of the new museum at ground zero. Believe it or not, but these busy-bodies insisted, and argued in court, that the presence of this cross, caused them to suffer headaches and dyspepsia. Not surprisingly, the court didn't buy it. Ground Zero ‘cross’ can stay at 9/11 museum as atheists lose court challenge A cross beam from Ground Zero can stay on show at the museum commemorating the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York. A federal appeals court in Washington ruled Monday displaying the object was not unconstitutional as a group of atheists had argued as it was not primarily a religious symbol. Writing for the three-judge panel, Circuit Judge Reena Raggi said the cross was more a “genuine historical artifact. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/28/ground-zero-cross-can-stay-at-911-museum-as-atheists-lose-court-challenge/ Quote
Guest Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 As an atheist, I have to say I fully agree with the court's decision. It seems like some people will whine about absolutely anything. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 The cross is NOT a religious symbol? Holy cow! Quote
Guest Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I tell you, if headaches and dyspepsia were a reason to ban something, half the people on here would never post again! Quote
Guest Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 The cross is NOT a religious symbol? Holy cow! I think the court acknowledged that it was religious symbol, but only secondarily, in this case. It's primary role is one of historical significance. That said, I have to say, again as an atheist, that I couldn't care less. If it gives people comfort, it's okay with me. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Thanf dog for athiests or we still wouldn't be able to shop or buy a cold beer on Sundays. Quote
Guest Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Thanf dog for athiests or we still wouldn't be able to shop or buy a cold beer on Sundays. My first visit to Vancouver I had to go to Seattle to drink on Sunday... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I think the court acknowledged that it was religious symbol, but only secondarily, in this case. It's primary role is one of historical significance. That said, I have to say, again as an atheist, that I couldn't care less. If it gives people comfort, it's okay with me. I agree, peoples spirituality takes different forms and I can appreciate that. It just seems they can't keep from butting heads in major ways. But yeah, who cares about a cross at ground zero. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 My first visit to Vancouver I had to go to Seattle to drink on Sunday... "THE LORD'S DAY ACT" as I recall. Quote
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 I tell you, if headaches and dyspepsia were a reason to ban something, half the people on here would never post again! Good point. This case was just silly. Atheists really need to pick and choose their battles. This wasn't a wise one. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Good point. This case was just silly. Atheists really need to pick and choose their battles. This wasn't a wise one. Ya reckon you scored one for "the cross"? Quote
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 Ya reckon you scored one for "the cross"? It's more a victory for logic and reason. Something in which I always thought atheists were about. I guess not some. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 It's more a victory for logic and reason. Something in which I always thought atheists were about. I guess not some. Let's see, wasn't it religiosity that brought the towers down in the first place? Quote
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 Let's see, wasn't it religiosity that brought the towers down in the first place? I don't know. I have always been told that they weren't real Muslims, because real Muslims would never do such a thing. Regardless, I believe politics played more of a role. But what does it matter? Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 But what does it matter?It probably mattered to the people who died. Oh yeah, their families too. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I don't know. I have always been told that they weren't real Muslims, because real Muslims would never do such a thing. Regardless, I believe politics played more of a role. But what does it matter? Real Muslims will throw stones at you until you're dead. That matters to me. In general, all religions have caused much hvoc in the world throughout history. Perhaps that's why athiests ar eathiests. Quote
eyeball Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I tell you, if headaches and dyspepsia were a reason to ban something, half the people on here would never post again! Imagine the chest-pains and diarrhea people would be having if the atheists had won this case. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
kimmy Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I think the court acknowledged that it was religious symbol, but only secondarily, in this case. It's primary role is one of historical significance. That said, I have to say, again as an atheist, that I couldn't care less. If it gives people comfort, it's okay with me. Obviously this chunk of metal wouldn't have been retrieved from the wreckage and celebrated if it had looked like anything other than a religious symbol. I think their objection to the "9/11 cross" being part of the 9/11 memorial is that its sheer size dominates over everything else and gives the impression that the memorial is endorsing Christianity. Good point. This case was just silly. Atheists really need to pick and choose their battles. This wasn't a wise one. I agree that this wasn't a smart case to pursue. Not necessarily because it doesn't have merit, but because it was a no-win situation. They appear petty and vindictive by going to court over this, and if they'd won they make people mad at atheists. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
GostHacked Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) I don't know. I have always been told that they weren't real Muslims, because real Muslims would never do such a thing. Regardless, I believe politics played more of a role. But what does it matter?You are right Hillary, 'what does it matter'. Actually it would be why does it matter. Edited July 30, 2014 by GostHacked Quote
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 You are right Hillary, 'what does it matter'. Actually it would be why does it matter. Sorry, I should have been more specific. What does that have to do with this topic? Quote
The_Squid Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Did god actually make a cross out of these steal beams? If He was smart, he would have made one in the shape of the Star of David too! That would have been really cool... This "cross" created by God is more a symbol of people's stupidity. Quote
Mighty AC Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I think Kimmy hits the nail on the head here. The court case was a bad idea because it creates a no win situation for the plaintiffs but their argument does have merit. Why should a piece of wreckage, chosen because of its resemblance to a Christian symbol, dominate the 9/11 museum? Christianity enjoys immense religious privilege and this is just another sickening example. There are larger more productive battles to fight though. Let's get religion out of classrooms and municipal meetings. Let's remove the recent inclusion of the word god from the Canadian anthem and restore the original phrasing. Let's stop publicly funding religious schools in Canada. Let's remove the 'In God we trust' from US cash. Maybe one day the ideas attributed to various fairy tales will have no bearing on how we craft social policies. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 .... Let's remove the 'In God we trust' from US cash. Maybe one day the ideas attributed to various fairy tales will have no bearing on how we craft social policies. Why would "we" do that ? The design of US currency and coinage reflects the history and values of the nation. "In Atheists We DO NOT Trust" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Why would "we" do that ? The design of US currency and coinage reflects the history and values of the nation. "In Atheists We DO NOT Trust" It reflects propaganda for the Union side in the Civil War and, later, a fear of the "Red Menace"... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 It reflects propaganda for the Union side in the Civil War and, later, a fear of the "Red Menace"... Much more than that...so what ? God is every bit as valid as an unelected monarch on currency. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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