Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 I've said that it was a no win situation for those challenging the cross and so it shouldn't have been challenged. I've also explained that they do have a point and the rationale for my opposition to one religion's symbol being included in a public facility. Why do you believe it should be included? As the courts have already stated, it's part of the wreckage and more of an historical artifact. And anyone that isn't religious shouldn't care about a metal beam shaped by the collapse. Get a grip. Quote
Mighty AC Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 The tragedy has been "Christianized" by people who seem to think that this was an attack on their religion. Many politicians have made this out to be an attack on Christianity and played up the "holy war" aspect... Exactly. Unfortunately, many believe that the US is a Christian nation with religion being part of the American identity. People were outraged when a mosque was going to open near ground zero, despite several churches being nearby. I toured the area last summer and they really play up the fact that one church is very close but didn't suffer any major damage. As if their god had protected it. Which lead me to silently ask, well...if your god intervened to save that mostly empty church why couldn't he have saved multiple buildings full of thousands of people, the majority of which state an allegiance to him? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Mighty AC Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 As the courts have already stated, it's part of the wreckage and more of an historical artifact. And anyone that isn't religious shouldn't care about a metal beam shaped by the collapse. Get a grip. So you'd be fine with any piece of wreckage then? They could swap it out for one that isn't a cross? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Exactly. Unfortunately, many believe that the US is a Christian nation with religion being part of the American identity. That's because it is very true, but the U.S. still manages to have more mosques in NYC than in all of Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 So you'd be fine with any piece of wreckage then? They could swap it out for one that isn't a cross? I think they should swap it out for a symbol in the shape of an airplane, but I bet they won't find a one. Quote
jacee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 The tragedy has been "Christianized" by people who seem to think that this was an attack on their religion. Many politicians have made this out to be an attack on Christianity and played up the "holy war" aspect... Ya that's sick, and may be the best argument I've heard for removing that bit of scrap. . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Putting a Christian deity in the anthem or on the money in nations that are supposed to keep church and state separate is a slap in the face to a sizable percentage of both the US and Canada populations. "God" is the generic name for the deity of many faiths, not just Christianity. Separation of church and state in the U.S. does not mean that cultural or historical symbols must be banned from currency to appease non-believers. As for a monarch...at least there is evidence that she does exist and though some disagree with our ties to the Brits not many dispute her existence. Right...some also believe in royal jelly and that Catholics may not rise to the throne. God is way more popular than that stupid idea. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 The tragedy has been "Christianized" by people who seem to think that this was an attack on their religion. Many politicians have made this out to be an attack on Christianity and played up the "holy war" aspect... ...to cover up the fact that at heart, it was really just a reaction to the hostile manner by which we plunder the resources of other people's regions. A plunder that's effectively been religified to put a little moral shine on it. To make it alright. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
guyser Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 God is every bit as valid as an unelected monarch on currency. Valid? At least one is real. Quote
The_Squid Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Valid? At least one is real. Don't feed the trolling... it's the old "bait and switch"... get the Canadians riled up by introducing the red herring of the Monarchy, thereby changing the subject. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Why is the make believe monarch on Canadian currency ? I certainly don't believe in he/she/it, but it's Canada's choice. Even if he/she/it did exist, it would be racist and religiously intolerant. Why can't the Americans do as they please on their own currency with respect to a generic "God" ? Edited July 30, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) make believe :lol: Edited July 30, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
guyser Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Don't feed the trolling... it's the old "bait and switch"... get the Canadians riled up by introducing the red herring of the Monarchy, thereby changing the subject.Oh yeah...sorry. Problem is, we dont get riled up. We clearly see it as what it is. Thin skinned American machismo, pretty common. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Work on your own religious and cultural superstitions before trying to change the currency in another nation. Or maybe it is bothersome that the Canadian dollar is quoted in terms of U.S. "God" money ? Edited July 30, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Work on your own religious and cultural superstitions before trying to change the currency in another nation. Or maybe it is bothersome that the Canadian dollar is quoted in terms of U.S. "God" money ? lol more "bait and switch" Oh yeah...sorry. Problem is, we dont get riled up. We clearly see it as what it is. Thin skinned American machismo, pretty common. Very true... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 lol more "bait and switch" Very true... And apparently QE doesn't exist anymore I wonder what they are doing with that crown? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) more "bait and switch" God is alive and well in America (and Canada)....if atheists don't like it....tough bounce. Edited July 30, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) God is alive and well in America (and Canada)....if atheists don't like it....tough bounce. I don't disagree with the premise.... how could I disagree that there are religious people in N. America? We agree on something! If atheists don't like it, they can work to change the negative aspects of religiosity. (that's the part where we differ) Edited July 30, 2014 by The_Squid Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 ...If atheists don't like it, they can work to change the negative aspects of religiosity. (that's the part where we differ) Work on the negative aspects of atheism first, as demonstrated by the OP. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 God is alive and well in America (and Canada)....if atheists don't like it....tough bounce. God is alive and well, but the Queen doesn't exist. Must have been a tough bounce! I hope it din't hurt too much. Quote
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 So you'd be fine with any piece of wreckage then? They could swap it out for one that isn't a cross? For what purpose? Quote
Mighty AC Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 For what purpose? Are you purposely being obtuse? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 Are you purposely being obtuse? No, for what purpose? Museums can't contain semi-religous artifacts? Are you serious? Because it offends your delicate sensibilities? Whatever. Quote
The_Squid Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Work on the negative aspects of atheism first, as demonstrated by the OP. lol that doesn't even make any sense! Quote
guyser Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 lol that doesn't even make any sense!Sure doesnt, but when slipping badly, straws are the only thing he can grasp. One normally...normally....would grasp that the problem is with the guy, not atheism. But hey, when the boat is sinking... Quote
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