How Trudeau lost my vote

[PIK]

Justin Trudeau wants to scrap new law that allowed discovery of First Nation chief’s massive income

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/11/justin-trudeau-wants-to-scrap-new-law-that-allowed-discovery-of-first-nation-chiefs-massive-income/

[PIK]

-On whether critics are correct in suggesting he doesn’t have the experience or intellectual heft to be prime minister:

“I don’t worry too much about answering their question. I focus on doing. I was raised by a man who, you know, nobody questioned his intellect. I spent the years between 13 and 25 sitting around the kitchen table and dinner table with him talking about global issues, talking about values, talking about how to build a better world, talking about engaged citizenship, history, talking about movies, talking about just about anything.

“I have no insecurities when it comes to my own intellectual capacities and I’m not worried about proving anything. I’m worried about getting the job done.”

[Bob Macadoo]

-On whether critics are correct in suggesting he doesn’t have the experience or intellectual heft to be prime minister:

“I don’t worry too much about answering their question. I focus on doing. I was raised by a man who, you know, nobody questioned his intellect. I spent the years between 13 and 25 sitting around the kitchen table and dinner table with him talking about global issues, talking about values, talking about how to build a better world, talking about engaged citizenship, history, talking about movies, talking about just about anything.

“I have no insecurities when it comes to my own intellectual capacities and I’m not worried about proving anything. I’m worried about getting the job done.”

Is that a critique or an endorsement?

[The_Squid]

Is that a critique or an endorsement?

LOL

I thought the same thing...

Although I do think that publishing the native leaders' salaries is a very good thing. They should be accountable. The chief who made $900k+ has recently come under fire by his own people, who didn't know he made that much money.

Last Friday, a handful of Kwikwetlem members gathered outside the band office to call for an independent audit and demand Mr. Giesbrecht’s immediate resignation.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/07/ron-giesbrecht-fires-back-says-he-is-one-of-the-lowest-paid-chiefs-in-canada-despite-800000-bonus/

Accountability for public officials is a key to democracy.

[Bob Macadoo]

Accountability for public officials is a key to democracy.

Accountability is key; but without scope and context, transparency is just car crash rubbernecking. The legislation tries to embarass FN, rather than promote responsibility.

[dre]

Accountability for public officials is a key to democracy.

Hard to say. Aristotle thought that but Plato certainly didnt. Theres a viewpoint - and its influential in our political system - that the public needs to be kept in the dark about most things, in the kind of stupor they are fit for. Thats probably why even if you look across the whole political spectrum efforts to provide transparency or accountability are superficial at best. Democracy in our system is really just about crowd control and maintaining the ILLUSION that they are the servants and we are the served.

[Accountability Now]

The legislation tries to embarass FN, rather than promote responsibility.

How does this legislation embarrass them....especially the ones that have nothing to hide?

[eyeball]

It’s a very sad and illiberal state of affairs, in that moderates and progressives within the Islamic community are marginalized, abused and frequently threatened.

Yeah, you see moderates and progressives getting a bad rap in a lot of societies whose leaders and governments cleave a little too closely to religiosity.

[waldo]

Moderates support harper

citation request

[waldo]

Justin Trudeau wants to scrap new law that allowed discovery of First Nation chiefs massive income

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/11/justin-trudeau-wants-to-scrap-new-law-that-allowed-discovery-of-first-nation-chiefs-massive-income/

typical PIK drive-by: Opposition parties are against this related legislation in that purposeful targets of Harper Conservatives (Unions, First Nations, etc.) are having salaries made public directly... meanwhile Harper Conservatives refuse to, for example, provide salaries for its top ranking political staffers. The preferred alternative Opposition parties propose is to divulge salaries to, in the case of First Nations, tribal councils... tribal councils than have the option to do as they wish with the salary figures... as in making them public.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well at least we now know how much Harper's CPC will pay to try to silence one of their hand picked senators who has gone astray.

[Argus]

typical PIK drive-by: Opposition parties are against this related legislation in that purposeful targets of Harper Conservatives (Unions, First Nations, etc.) are having salaries made public directly... meanwhile Harper Conservatives refuse to, for example, provide salaries for its top ranking political staffers.

Those political staffers are paid by the government, are they?

[Argus]

Accountability is key; but without scope and context, transparency is just car crash rubbernecking. The legislation tries to embarass FN, rather than promote responsibility.

I know what my city councilor makes. I know what my mayor makes. I know the salary of my MPP and MP and the Prime Minister.

Why do you believe natives have no right to know what their band councilors and chiefs make?

[waldo]

Why do you believe natives have no right to know what their band councilors and chiefs make?

per the Opposition parties preferred alternative approach: make the salaries available to the tribal councils... not public outright. Should the tribal councils opt to make the salaries public, that would be their perogative.

[waldo]

Those political staffers are paid by the government, are they?

in the proposed Harper Conservative legislation to force unions to divulge salaries..... those targeted union leaders/members are paid by the government, are they?

[Argus]

per the Opposition parties preferred alternative approach: make the salaries available to the tribal councils... not public outright. Should the tribal councils opt to make the salaries public, that would be their perogative.

Tribal councils are normally made up of the friends and family of the chief. I fail to see how that would provide the proper oversight.

[Argus]

in the proposed Harper Conservative legislation to force unions to divulge salaries..... those targeted union leaders/members are paid by the government, are they?

The difference is that these people, like public servants, are paid from the involuntary forfeiture of funds. If I join the Tory party and contribute money that's up to me. I have no choice, though, about contributing either tax dollars or union dues. And frankly, as a shop steward, I can tell you with complete confidence that even on the lower level of the union there are people who are eager to grab as much money from the pot as they can.

[Smallc]

per the Opposition parties preferred alternative approach: make the salaries available to the tribal councils... not public outright. Should the tribal councils opt to make the salaries public, that would be their perogative.

The taxpayer should be able to know the salaries. Alleged underfunding can only be addressed when things like the salary mess are fixed.

[Boges]

The money the band receives is public money isn't it? There should be a public paper trail.

[waldo]

Tribal councils are normally made up of the friends and family of the chief. I fail to see how that would provide the proper oversight.

citation request

[guyser]

The money the band receives is public money isn't it? There should be a public paper trail.

Im ok with that if youre willing to make that rule for everyoneof the public servants in CDA, no matter how much they do or dont make.

[Keepitsimple]

Im ok with that if youre willing to make that rule for everyoneof the public servants in CDA, no matter how much they do or dont make.

So....you disagree that Chiefs and Band Councillors should be treated the same as City/Town Mayors and Councillors?

[guyser]

So....you disagree that Chiefs and Band Councillors should be treated the same as City/Town Mayors and Councillors?

COnsider this....not everyones pay cheque is made public.

Capice?

[Smallc]

Nearly every elected official has their paycheque in public - at least the part coming from government or a related entity.

[Keepitsimple]

COnsider this....not everyones pay cheque is made public.

Capice?

So....you disagree that Chiefs and Band Councillors should be treated the same as City/Town Mayors and Councillors? Pretty simple question.