Khadr Wins Transfer

[cybercoma]

This is your violent and dangerous sociopath who's bent on Jihad and will butcher the Canadian public.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2666704532/

[Hal 9000]

Terrorism is natural?

I think you misinterpreted my post.

[On Guard for Thee]

I think you misinterpreted my post.

I guess I also did. Care to clarify

[Hal 9000]

The fact that he's a terrorist is incidental. Our belief systems are generally based around our social and environmental state...and that's natural.

[On Guard for Thee]

The fact that he's a terrorist is incidental. Our belief systems are generally based around our social and environmental state...and that's natural.

When you initially weighed in here, him being a terrorist in, our opinion, seemed to be your main point. Now its incidental. I reckon you now have most of us confused. Care to clarify...again.

[Hal 9000]

When you initially weighed in here, him being a terrorist in, our opinion, seemed to be your main point. Now its incidental. I reckon you now have most of us confused. Care to clarify...again.

Good grief...Yes, he is a terrorist, we all know that! Now, step 2 is why he is a terrorist, and you can ask why is anybody ...anything. People are what they are based on social, environmental and I guess you can add cultural circumstances. If he (or us) was a serial killer, drunk, athlete, Christian, Muslim...whatever - those are incidentals. What he is, is generally based on a belief system stemming from social, environmental and cultural circumstances...and that is...he's a terrorist.

I am, what I am and you are, what you are based on a different set of social, environmental and cultural circumstances.

[eyeball]

He's not a terrorist at all. He's a victim of terrorism.

[bush_cheney2004]

He's not a terrorist at all. He's a victim of terrorism.

So now he's a Canadian war hero ?

[On Guard for Thee]

Good grief...Yes, he is a terrorist, we all know that! Now, step 2 is why he is a terrorist, and you can ask why is anybody ...anything. People are what they are based on social, environmental and I guess you can add cultural circumstances. If he (or us) was a serial killer, drunk, athlete, Christian, Muslim...whatever - those are incidentals. What he is, is generally based on a belief system stemming from social, environmental and cultural circumstances...and that is...he's a terrorist.

I am, what I am and you are, what you are based on a different set of social, environmental and cultural circumstances.

Talk about good grief! My circumstances under the headings you list, would inevitably led me to become a farmer. How the hell did I end up a commercial pilot I wonder.

[On Guard for Thee]

So now he's a Canadian war hero ?

Isnt there a thread you should be weighing in on, something about lurking in the dark...

[Hal 9000]

Talk about good grief! My circumstances under the headings you list, would inevitably led me to become a farmer. How the hell did I end up a commercial pilot I wonder.

Just because you father was a farmer (I presume), doesn't mean you should be a farmer. The point is; things you've learned and places you've lived played a huge part in what you've become and the belief system that you have. If you think that growing up in a different country, culture or with different people would still have you on the same path you're on today, then you'd be very naive.

[On Guard for Thee]

Just because you father was a farmer (I presume), doesn't mean you should be a farmer. The point is; things you've learned and places you've lived played a huge part in what you've become and the belief system that you have. If you think that growing up in a different country, culture or with different people would still have you on the same path you're on today, then you'd be very naive.

My point being that just because you started off in one type of environment does not mean you cant choose a different path based on new experiences. You seem to have Khadr tarred for life based on what he experienced before he could grow a beard.

[bush_cheney2004]

Khadr is a convicted war criminal....might be tricky explaining that on a job application.

[On Guard for Thee]

Khadr is a convicted war criminal....might be tricky explaining that on a job application.

Convicted by who...oh yeah, a kangaroo military court in an illegal detainment facility under a law cooked up 4 years into his detainment. Can you explain how that is in any way credible...

[bush_cheney2004]

"Please tell me about your work experience Mr. Khadr...besides shooting infidels and lobbing grenades".

[On Guard for Thee]

"Please tell me about your work experience Mr. Khadr...besides shooting infidels and lobbing grenades".

Please tell us about the validity of the Military Commissions Act.

[Rue]

You can claim all the laws that convicted him are defective but it does not change what he did and what has never been denied and that is, engaging in terrorism on Afghani soil.

The smiling, grinning, Kadr looks like a cuddly teddy bear? Go on then bring him to bed with you and hug him.

Better still get pictures with him on your cell phone.

He's harmless.He just blew up a medic and engaged in terrorism because he was a kid.He's not really a terrorist. How can he be. He smiles.

[Je suis Omar]

You can claim all the laws that convicted him are defective but it does not change what he did and what has never been denied and that is, engaging in terrorism on Afghani soil.

The smiling, grinning, Kadr looks like a cuddly teddy bear? Go on then bring him to bed with you and hug him.

Better still get pictures with him on your cell phone.

He's harmless.He just blew up a medic and engaged in terrorism because he was a kid.He's not really a terrorist. How can he be. He smiles.

How can so many be so blind? What part of the Americans/Canadians/Brits/... are the war criminals, the Americans/C/B/... are the terrorists in Afghanistan don't you get?

Notice the big smiles on the amoral crud, (USA presidents and underlings as they weave fantastic tales of how upright and moral they are) that has been relentlessly terrorizing the Afghans, and most of the rest of the world for the last 70 years.

And you who are are falling all over yourselves to defend these vicious people, make a huge pretense of some claim to morality.

"What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core."

- Hanna Arendt

[PIK]

People blame Harper for stealing his freedom ,but you never hear a peep about the parents that stole his innocence.

[Je suis Omar]

What is it that leads so many people, people who raise children, go to church, pretend they are moral, to provide unflagging support for the longest running, most vicious band of criminals that the world has ever seen?

"It's official: The U.S. is the world's leading terrorist state, and proud of it."

Noam Chomsky

That should have been the headline for the lead story in The New York Times on Oct. 15, which was more politely titled "CIA Study of Covert Aid Fueled Skepticism About Helping Syrian Rebels."

The article reports on a CIA review of recent U.S. covert operations to determine their effectiveness. The White House concluded that unfortunately successes were so rare that some rethinking of the policy was in order.

The article quoted President Barack Obama as saying that he had asked the CIA to conduct the review to find cases of "financing and supplying arms to an insurgency in a country that actually worked out well. And they couldn't come up with much." So Obama has some reluctance about continuing such efforts.

The first paragraph of the Times article cites three major examples of "covert aid": Angola, Nicaragua and Cuba. In fact, each case was a major terrorist operation conducted by the U.S.

Angola was invaded by South Africa, which, according to Washington, was defending itself from one of the world's "more notorious terrorist groups" - Nelson Mandela's African National Congress. That was 1988.

By then the Reagan administration was virtually alone in its support for the apartheid regime, even violating congressional sanctions to increase trade with its South African ally.

Meanwhile Washington joined South Africa in providing crucial support for Jonas Savimbi's terrorist Unita army in Angola. Washington continued to do so even after Savimbi had been roundly defeated in a carefully monitored free election, and South Africa had withdrawn its support. Savimbi was a "monster whose lust for power had brought appalling misery to his people," in the words of Marrack Goulding, British ambassador to Angola.

The consequences were horrendous. A 1989 U.N. inquiry estimated that South African depredations led to 1.5 million deaths in neighboring countries, let alone what was happening within South Africa itself. Cuban forces finally beat back the South African aggressors and compelled them to withdraw from illegally occupied Namibia. The U.S. alone continued to support the monster Savimbi.

In Cuba, after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, President John F. Kennedy launched a murderous and destructive campaign to bring "the terrors of the earth" to Cuba - the words of Kennedy's close associate, the historian Arthur Schlesinger, in his semiofficial biography of Robert Kennedy, who was assigned responsibility for the terrorist war.

The atrocities against Cuba were severe. The plans were for the terrorism to culminate in an uprising in October 1962, which would lead to a U.S. invasion. By now, scholarship recognizes that this was one reason why Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba, initiating a crisis that came perilously close to nuclear war. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara later conceded that if he had been a Cuban leader, he "might have expected a U.S. invasion."

American terrorist attacks against Cuba continued for more than 30 years. The cost to Cubans was of course harsh. The accounts of the victims, hardly ever heard in the U.S., were reported in detail for the first time in a study by Canadian scholar Keith Bolender, "Voices From the Other Side: an Oral History of Terrorism Against Cuba," in 2010.

The toll of the long terrorist war was amplified by a crushing embargo, which continues even today in defiance of the world. On Oct. 28, the U.N., for the 23rd time, endorsed "the necessity of ending the economic, commercial, financial blockade imposed by the United States against Cuba." The vote was 188 to 2 (U.S., Israel), with three U.S. Pacific Island dependencies abstaining.

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http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27201-the-leading-terrorist-state

Edited May 8, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Je suis Omar]

People blame Harper for stealing his freedom ,but you never hear a peep about the parents that stole his innocence.

And the delusion goes on and on. Pik, the invasion of Afghanistan was a war crime under international law. That means that you are providing cover, albeit it, weakly, for war criminals and terrorists.

How many USA/Canadian parents continue to send their innocents abroad to engage in war crimes and terrorism?

Edited May 8, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[bush_cheney2004]

And the delusion goes on and on. Pik, the invasion of Afghanistan was a war crime under international law. That means that you are providing cover, albeit it, weakly, for war criminals and terrorists.

Actually, the "invasion of Afghanistan" was perfectly legal according to the UN and NATO charters, with many nations participating. I guess they are all war criminals and don't care as well.

How many USA/Canadian parents continue to send their innocents abroad to engage in war crimes and terrorism?

Ask Khadr's parents....most US/Canadian forces join voluntarily without being sent by their parents.

[On Guard for Thee]

You can claim all the laws that convicted him are defective but it does not change what he did and what has never been denied and that is, engaging in terrorism on Afghani soil.

The smiling, grinning, Kadr looks like a cuddly teddy bear? Go on then bring him to bed with you and hug him.

Better still get pictures with him on your cell phone.

He's harmless.He just blew up a medic and engaged in terrorism because he was a kid.He's not really a terrorist. How can he be. He smiles.

Not only are the laws defective, but the circumstances of what actually happened during a firefight have always been suspect. Those two items are certainly sufficient for a valid case for appeal, and combined with various reports of Khadr being a model prisoner, make for solid ground for his bail release.

[eyeball]

People blame Harper for stealing his freedom ,but you never hear a peep about the parents that stole his innocence.

I've been questioning why the government hasn't arrested Maha el-Samnah for years. People praise Harper for creating laws against radicalizing terrorists. What's stopping him from using these laws?

I think it's because going after Omar Khadr's mother for indoctrinating and radicalizing her son put's the government in the awkward spot of trying to explain how a 15 year old who was radicalized and indoctrinated from around the age of 8 could possibly be regarded as anything but a victim - as underscored by the UN secretary-general's special representative for children and armed conflict who said; Khadr represents the "classic child soldier narrative: recruited by unscrupulous groups to undertake actions at the bidding of adults to fight battles they barely understand."

Edited May 8, 2015 by eyeball

[On Guard for Thee]

Actually, the "invasion of Afghanistan" was perfectly legal according to the UN and NATO charters, with many nations participating. I guess they are all war criminals and don't care as well.

Ask Khadr's parents....most US/Canadian forces join voluntarily without being sent by their parents.

Sorry...no. The invasion of Afghanistan by either the US or the UK was never sanctioned by the UN. Furthermore the US attempt to cite article 51 has never held water legally.