eyeball Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 I feel the exact same way about people who obfuscate or deny the Western Cold War phobias that caused us to do the things that have made so many people hate our guts. Even if 89% of us support the way we've behaved. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 Austria just passed a new law which bans foreign funding for imams and mosques. This is definitely something all western countries should copy. "What we want is to reduce the political influence and control from abroad and we want to give Islam the chance to develop freely within our society and in line with our common European values," One of the major problems the West is having with Muslims is all that money coming in, mostly from Saudi Arabia, to build mosques and pay for imams but only the ones who will follow the rigid, ultra-orthodox Wahabi sect's teachings. So even those born in Canada say, still wind up being preached to by these nasty assed and intolerent Wahabi imams out of Saudi Arabia.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31629543 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 One of the major problems the West is having with Muslims is all that money coming in, mostly from Saudi Arabia, to build mosques and pay for imams but only the ones who will follow the rigid, ultra-orthodox Wahabi sect's teachings. So even those born in Canada say, still wind up being preached to by these nasty assed and intolerent Wahabi imams out of Saudi Arabia. No, it is not a "major problem in the West". It is a problem in the actual Muslim sphere of influence, and particularly poorer countries with weak systems of education. The irony is that the religious fundamentalist leaders of the Wahabi sect loathe the Saudi Royal family wand the privileged lives they lead. In return, the Saudi ruling class fear the populism of the Wahabis and fear they will be challenged. But they have negotiated a tradeoff. The Saudis agree to permit the Wahabis to base themselves in the KSA, and to fund the spread of the Wahabi teachings and building of madrassas around the world. In return, the Wahabis agree to not foment dissent within Saudi Arabia, and to domestically teach that the Royal Family has the duty and right to rule. Strange bedfellows in a way. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Argus Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) No, it is not a "major problem in the West". It is a problem in the actual Muslim sphere of influence, and particularly poorer countries with weak systems of education. The Saudis fund mosques, Islamic schools, community centres and imams in Canada too, as well as in the US and western Europe. The imams all come from Saudi Arabia and preach the Wahabi version of Islam. So that makes it a problem. Edited February 25, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
LemonPureLeaf Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 The Saudis fund mosques, Islamic schools, community centres and imams in Canada too, as well as in the US and western Europe. The imams all come from Saudi Arabia and preach the Wahabi version of Islam. So that makes it a problem. If Canadians started burning down mosques maybe they would get the message that they're not welcome here in Canada. But the government keeps letting them in in record numbers. Our way of society will go down eventually because eventually the Muslims population will be the majority here in Canada. Once that is the case they will change our laws, Constitution, Charter of Rights, etc. Once they are the majority nothing will be able to stop them as they'll have the numbers to change anything they want to. They're using our own democracy against us. In Sweden the official position is that Swedes should be nice to the Muslims because they will one day take over. I wonder if that will soon be the official position here in Canada. Quote
overthere Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) The Saudis fund mosques, Islamic schools, community centres and imams in Canada too, as well as in the US and western Europe. The imams all come from Saudi Arabia and preach the Wahabi version of Islam. So that makes it a problem. No, it does not. The primary purpose of the Wahabi madrassas in poor countries is to capture young men early and indoctrinate them . There are often no other options for children, the public system is grim or too expensive. Only the Koran is taught at amny madrassas. You cannot have a school like that in Canada for school age children. Schools have to teach the provincial curriculum, and not 8 hours straight of exclusively mumbling the Koran. I refuse to share your fear or paranoia. I don't care if somebody send money to a church. Is the Vatican included in your fear? Edited February 25, 2015 by overthere Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Argus Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 No, it does not. Oh, how reassuring. You've done a study, have you? You've looked into it? Because I'm sure you wouldn't want to make absolute statements like that without having some background knowledge. Because that might make you look like a complete fool. http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/saudi-religious-funding-fosters-terror-study-says/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/16/aly-hindy-salaheddin-islamic-centre/ Oh, apparently you haven't. In fact, Saudi Arabia funds mosques, Islamic centers, et all, across the world, and not just in poor third world countries. Why on earth do you think Austria passed a law refusing to allow foreign money to go to mosques? Why did Norway recently refuse to allow Saudi money to build a mosque there? http://islamineurope.blogspot.ca/2010/10/norway-no-saudi-mosques-as-long-as.html Saudi money goes to the US and UK, as well. http://www.islamicpluralism.org/532/al-qaeda-other-terror-groups-swim-in-global-sea-of-saudi I refuse to share your fear or paranoia. I don't care if somebody send money to a church. Is the Vatican included in your fear? You can refuse to share in knowledge, all you want. That's pretty much something you PC fascists do best. Just don't spread it around too much. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 That's the word on the street. My name is Osama Bin Laden, you killed my father, prepare to die. Wait.. Quote
eyeball Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 Argus why are you with the terrorists? Saudi Arabia is on our side, they're one of our staunchest allies...practically a BBF for Allah's sake. Give your head a shake man! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Mighty AC Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 My name is Osama Bin Laden, you killed my father, prepare to die. Wait.. LMAO! Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Mighty AC Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 Argus why are you with the terrorists? Saudi Arabia is on our side, they're one of our staunchest allies...practically a BBF for Allah's sake. Give your head a shake man! Why do we call one of the most ruthless, misogynistic and morally bankrupt places on earth, an ally? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
eyeball Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 Why do we call one of the most ruthless, misogynistic and morally bankrupt places on earth, an ally? Hard core radicalized conservatism - the bane of human existence, the primary source of the West's moral bankruptcy and the very same well spring of dogmatic ignorance that Islamic extremism wells up from. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Hard core radicalized conservatism - the bane of human existence, the primary source of the West's moral bankruptcy and the very same well spring of dogmatic ignorance that Islamic extremism wells up from. None of the above, but rather, geopolitics and economics: Saudi Arabia was the largest reported purchaser of Canadian military goods for both 2012 and 2013, receiving $422.3-million and $152.8 million in each year respectively, a total of over $575-million for the two years. Shipments of “ground vehicles and components” dominated Saudi sales, with a combined total of nearly $529-million for the two years or about 92 per cent of all exports to Saudi Arabia. Based on recent media and industry reports, it is likely that most, if not all, of the ground vehicles shipped to Saudi Arabia were armoured vehicles built by General Dynamics Land Systems Canada (GDLS Canada) in London, Ontario. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-weapons-exports-reach-new-levels-saudi-arabia-largest-purchaser (Canada does not report such export sales to the USA, which are larger) Edited February 26, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 Why do we call one of the most ruthless, misogynistic and morally bankrupt places on earth, an ally? Enemy of my enemy .. that kind of thing. It's worked out so well in the past. Where were those hijackers from again? Anyone? Quote
WIP Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 Hard core radicalized conservatism - the bane of human existence, the primary source of the West's moral bankruptcy and the very same well spring of dogmatic ignorance that Islamic extremism wells up from. They are dopplegangers and in reality - feed off each other. The worst nightmare for any totalitarian empire builder, is to lose an enemy! Then, the people that feed the beast might look up and notice just how much of their hard work and sacrifices go to feeding the beast! What I find most alarming about the new generation of despots and their loyal followers, is the complete lack of effort to learn about or try to understand the thinking of their 'enemies.' Back in the days of the Cold War, that went on all through my early life...the U.S. made a number of mistakes (Vietnam quagmire); but they didn't keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over again like they are doing now! With one hand, the Neoconservatives are feeding the beast (Saudi Arabia&allied Gulf sheikdoms) and with the other hand, spending billions making weapons and raising armies and proxy armies to fight the spawn of that same beast, and yet there is not one stupid conservative with access to a microphone who points out the idiocy. The last one who tried to get access to ask simple questions about policies designed by the Military-Industrial Complex was Ron Paul, and he and his followers have been shut out by mainstream conservative media like Faux News! An even worse example of ignorance that will destroy us all, is the disaster unfolding in the Ukraine, as the Obama Administration is deliberately risking a direct war with Russia....something that no previous U.S. administration considered throughout the Cold War. We are closer to nuclear annihilation than we have ever been, and there is no sign that there are any guaranteed high level communications between the U.S. and Russia today, and no interest in the threat of nuclear extinction in any mainstream media...either conservative or liberal! It's a subject that is never discussed anymore, unlike back in the 60's and 70's, when nuclear disarmament was a general topic that even the most extreme warhawk Republicans couldn't ignore. But, that's another disaster, I'll have to start a thread on this Ukraine debacle, because so much oxygen seems to be wasted here on inconsequential foreign policy issues, while the biggest one never comes up for discussion. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
eyeball Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 None of the above, but rather, geopolitics and economics: Nah geopolitics and economics are just things, and like anything else they get their hands on you can count on radicalized conservatives to cock them up like no one else can. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 Nah geopolitics and economics are just things, and like anything else they get their hands on you can count on radicalized conservatives to cock them up like no one else can. ...or "radicalized" liberals. Try to be a little more objective in such matters. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I am, Liberals are just moderate conservatives and as ripe as any for radicalizing. Just go ask Justin....Blankets are so passé and dictators toolkits are all the rage now. He's coming of age, paying attention, seeing the bigger more important picture. Edited February 26, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 I am, Liberals are just moderate conservatives No they aren't....the bombs and missiles don't care either way. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 The victims don't care one way or another either. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 The victims don't care one way or another either. That's right...now you are getting it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 I've always gotten that, I just wish they'd retaliate against the correct, the right that is, perpetrators. I mean don't they know the lefties are with them? There's that problem of waging wars without uniforms I guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Why do we call one of the most ruthless, misogynistic and morally bankrupt places on earth, an ally? Oil. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Mighty AC Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Oil. Exactly. Maybe the politicians who are paid to push an oil agenda in the West are doing us, and the world, a disservice. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Nope....oil matters. Oil matters more than hockey or the Queen of Canada or Tim Bits. Blood is a renewable resource....oil isn't. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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