eyeball Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Are there solutions? Maybe a few decades from now, Islam will have gone through it's reformation, and things will have gotten somewhat better. Aside from that, I have no idea. However, with technology and younger generations, maybe things will speed up a bit. Wow! Did you figure this out on your own or did what people around here have been telling you for about ten years now finally hit a nerve? I was hoping for a couple of generations but decades? Sure, we can dare to hope. The trick will be to avoid arresting this development any more than we already have...fat chance of that though, fricken Obama certainly isn't helping things with his drone war. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
WestCoastRunner Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Wow! Did you figure this out on your own or did what people around here have been telling you for about ten years now finally hit a nerve? I was hoping for a couple of generations but decades? Sure, we can dare to hope. The trick will be to avoid arresting this development any more than we already have...fat chance of that though, fricken Obama certainly isn't helping things with his drone war. Eyeball, I enjoy your cynical thoughts. I truly do and they are refreshing as I am becoming so very cynical myself and it scares the hell out of me. However, I don't understand your reference here to Obama and his drone war? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 I wasn't being cynical when making reference to Obama. I think he's made things worse. I guess the first clue was when he reneged on closing Guantanamo then all the surveillance taking place on his watch clinched it. Drones are just one more thing - the use of drone attacks on Islamic people accelerated under his presidency. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 It's funny, I think his use of drones is one of the redeeming features of his presidency. Different strokes, eh? Quote
Shady Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Shady, your posts so far, dismiss any thoughts from the younger generation. Well, unfortunately, right now, they have very little power and influence. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Well, unfortunately, right now, they have very little power and influence. That is by design. Quote
Shady Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 That is by design. More like by force. See the Muslim brotherhood, iSIS, the Taliban, the Ayatollah, Assad, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. Quote
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 People riot over a stupid hockey game. That to me might be worse. So much for civility in the west. Worse than mobs of people stabbing people to death? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Like this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11016794/40000-Iraqis-stranded-on-Sinjar-mountain-after-Islamic-State-death-threats.html Oh come on! Hockey riots are worse than that! Windows get broken, after all! And sometimes a car gets burned! Oh the humanity!! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Are there solutions? Maybe a few decades from now, Islam will have gone through it's reformation, and things will have gotten somewhat better. That's not going to happen given the laws against blasphemy and heresy prohibit questioning the established dictates of Islam. I see no way of improving things without violence, a lot of it. To my mind, the genesis of the current violent religious fanaticism sweeping through the Muslim world is the Saudi Arabian government. For many years they have been funneling billions of dollars into poor Muslim nations to pay for schools, mosques and Muslim community centers, all run by extremists and happily indoctrinating generations of otherwise ignorant little boys into violent intolerance and fanaticism. Those little boys grow up and go out into an unsophisticated world of mostly illiterates and proselytize, further degrading Islam and turning more of its followers into backward savages. So what can we do about that? Kick out the Saudi rulers? As it stands now, booting them out would only cause an even more rigidly fanatic government to be put in place, without the veneer of civilization the Saudi rulers exude. I see no likelihood of improving things with that. Unfortunately, I see no hope of change in the near future, unless it's for the worse. That means there's little we can do about them other than keep THEM away from US. Ignoring them doesn't work. The US ignored Afghanistan, and look what happened there. The only way to ignore them and let them do whatever they want is to establish a cordon sanitaire which does not allow any of the people in the more fanatical countries to leave. If you live in Afghanistan or Pakistan, for example, you STAY there. No travel out for any reason. No aircraft allowed to leave, no trains, no roads. That requires a certain level of violence to enforce, of course, and is unlikely to make us any more popular. It's also unworkable given no western government is going to deliberately shoot down civilian airliners or shoot up railroads. What that leaves is not allowing them into our countries. Refusing any of the world's backward, religious populations permission to travel to the West. That's a collective sort of thing, though, and unlikely to go over well with the liberal set. After all, it would mean forbidding nice, pleasantly spoken Muslims from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Iraq from coming here because we wanted to keep out the fanatics. The problem is we can't tell the difference. If you want to keep out the fanatics the only way is to keep them ALL out. And I don't see us doing that unless we start seeing a lot more 9/11s in the West. Which leaves muddling along as best we can, and trying to kill terrorists here and there with drone strikes, assassinations and the occasional arrest, supporting Muslim governments which help us (none of them democratic) and trying to gather information in hopes of fending off the next group of lunatics which wants to blow up our buildings or cities. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 I wasn't being cynical when making reference to Obama. I think he's made things worse. I guess the first clue was when he reneged on closing Guantanamo then all the surveillance taking place on his watch clinched it. I was very disappointed with his reneging on closing of Guantanamo. But I suspect his hands were tied. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Big Guy Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 More like by force. See the Muslim brotherhood, iSIS, the Taliban, the Ayatollah, Assad, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. Interesting you should state that. The major problem in that area at the moment is ISIS. I would not be surprised that the USA is in current negotiations with Hezbollah, Assad and Iran in a strategy to go after ISIS. Politics makes strange bedfellows and ISIS is currently the mutual enemy of the above named. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 I was very disappointed with his reneging on closing of Guantanamo. But I suspect his hands were tied.Then untying his hands should have been his priority. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Then untying his hands should have been his priority. Obama never had a chance of closing GITMO. The Pentagon would make that decision, not the President. Quote
Argus Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 Obama never had a chance of closing GITMO. The Pentagon would make that decision, not the President. Like many things he'd like to do, he needs congressional approval, and that didn't happen. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 Obama never had a chance of closing GITMO. The Pentagon would make that decision, not the President. The biggest problem was that the home countries of many of the prisoners wouldn't accept them. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 The biggest problem was that the home countries of many of the prisoners wouldn't accept them. You mean like Stephen Harpers Canada? Quote
Guest Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 One would hope so. The SCC would probably overrule him though. Quote
Shady Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 You mean like Stephen Harpers Canada? No. Others. Quote
Shady Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 This week in Islam... Twice as many British Muslims are fighting for ISIS than in UK Armed Forces. http://www.newsweek.com/twice-many-british-muslims-fighting-isis-armed-forces-265865 Quote
Mighty AC Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 On a positive note they are no longer in the UK. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Bonam Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) On a positive note they are no longer in the UK. But 99% of them will be able to freely re-enter at any time with no questions asked, while hundreds of thousands more of their brethren continue to be imported on an annual basis for no good reason whatsoever. Edited August 22, 2014 by Bonam Quote
Shady Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 On a positive note they are no longer in the UK. Good point. Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Lovely lot of people over there. http://www.inquisitr.com/1431876/girl-beheads-doll-james-foley/ Another future "freedom fighter" in the making. Or simply someone who is misunderstood? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
AngusThermopyle Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 I guess CSNY got it right years ago, Teach Your Children Well. http://english.alarabiya.net/en/webtv/reports/2014/08/25/Video-shows-young-boy-pledging-allegiance-to-ISIS.html Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
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