Toronto Municipal Election Thread 2014

[Black Dog]

Other than allowing her campaign manager to call him racist?

If "Liberals" stay home because they don't see a candidate that appeals to them that's an excellent recipe for Ford More Years!

What is she missing? What are the issues, other than transit she's not addressing?

It's not about specific things she hadn't addressed (she's certainly put out more in the way of actual policy than Ford and on paper her policies are better than Tory's IMO, though undeerwhelming), it's that she's run a safe, middle of the road campaign that doesn't really challenge any of the accepted narratives. For example, none of the three have said anything about the necessity of new revenue tools or increased taxes to pay for their platforms. Instead, like the provincial NDP in the last election, she's adopted the populism of the right, which is a space already occupied by Ford and Tory, and left progressives without a champion. A lot of lefties (this is anecdotal, but I think accurate) feel like she's taking them for granted as she chases the centre-right vote.

[Boges]

the person you're alluding to is/was not Chow's campaign manager... I double-dog dare you to update your post with the guy's name. No worries... all those claims of him being highly litigious are overblown - trust me!

Warren Kinsella? Perhaps he's not her campaign manager but he's a lot more than simply a volunteer like Chow described.

I liked Tory's response. Either cut him a cheque or cut him loose.

[waldo]

Warren Kinsella? Perhaps he's not her campaign manager but he's a lot more than simply a volunteer like Chow described.

I liked Tory's response. Either cut him a cheque or cut him loose.

not exactly up to my challenge request... in any case, memories run long. By the by, has Tory ever apologized for his significant role in that Conservative attack ad that emphasized Jean Chretien's facial impairment?

[Bob Macadoo]

A lot of lefties (this is anecdotal, but I think accurate) feel like she's taking them for granted as she chases the centre-right vote.

Spot on.....she's going after the centre when she hasn't secured the centre-left yet.......alot of people staying home I bet. Too bad Sognacki wasn't fringe, I think he has the personality and policy Toronto needs.

[WWWTT]

Good to see Chow starting to twist and buck!

This move to the right from the upper NDP is really pissing me off and some heads need to start rolling.

Mulcair and Horwath are probably feeling uncomfortable watching this train wreck play out in slow motion.

WWWTT

[Topaz]

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a race -off for all candidates running against the seating mayor, when there's more than 3? Many times the seating mayor gets back in because of split voting, especially in smaller communities.

[PIK]

Todays star has kinsella no longer working the day to day stuff ,but will still help out. So she lied when she said he was just a volunteer. Just like she said she was not a millionaire, which I would bet she is.

Edited August 29, 2014 by PIK

[Mighty AC]

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a race -off for all candidates running against the seating mayor, when there's more than 3? Many times the seating mayor gets back in because of split voting, especially in smaller communities.

I'd rather see a single transferable vote system for every candidate including the mayor. It lets voters rank the mayoral candidates. First place votes are considered and the lowest ranked candidate eliminated. Votes for the eliminated candidate are transferred to the second place ranking and the process continues until one receives at least 50% + 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

Edited August 29, 2014 by Mighty AC

[WestCoastRunner]

You have to hand it to Ford, he's no stuffy dude.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/toronto-mayor-rob-ford-dances-cares-away-final-141637417.html

[Boges]

Todays star has kinsella no longer working the day to day stuff ,but will still help out. So she lied when she said he was just a volunteer. Just like she said she was not a millionaire, which I would bet she is.

I hear he's suing a Tory staffer for an unflattering Tweet.

In his Friday column in The Sun he wrote about taking Internet Trolls to court.

Who says Canadians can't be litigious.

[On Guard for Thee]

You have to hand it to Ford, he's no stuffy dude.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/toronto-mayor-rob-ford-dances-cares-away-final-141637417.html

I assume the Black community has forgiven him for his previous drunken racial slurs while waiting for his bag of burgers.

[Boges]

I assume the Black community has forgiven him for his previous drunken racial slurs while waiting for his bag of burgers.

That Steak Queen incident only proved he was off the wagon again, most found it funny. He said cruddy things about the Chief of Police but I don't see how speaking in a Jamaican accent and using a Jamaican Swear word is considered a racial slur.

[On Guard for Thee]

That Steak Queen incident only proved he was off the wagon again, most found it funny. He said cruddy things about the Chief of Police but I don't see how speaking in a Jamaican accent and using a Jamaican Swear word is considered a racial slur.

I suppose you could argue that but you'd be in disagreement with the only black council memeber who is Jamaican and did find it offensive. I guess for the really offensive racist stuff you have to go to the crack smoking video were he slams gays as well as blacks.

[Boges]

I suppose you could argue that but you'd be in disagreement with the only black council memeber who is Jamaican and did find it offensive. I guess for the really offensive racist stuff you have to go to the crack smoking video were he slams gays as well as blacks.

It could be offensive to use the word he did in the Steak Queen video, but not racist. Imitating and accent isn't racist though.

What was far worse was what he said about Karen Stintz in the audio tape that was released that was finally the tipping point for him to go to rehab. In which, if I remember correctly, he went so far as to say he's not bothered that the Premiere of Ontario is a lesbian.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Boges

[Bob Macadoo]

It could be offensive to use the word he did in the Steak Queen video, but not racist. Imitating and accent isn't racist though.

Really? Go find a South Asian and give him your best Simpson's Apu....see how that makes out. When is imitating an accent not done in a mocking fashion? Not overt racism....but the accent is used to show their "difference".

[Boges]

Really? Go find a South Asian and give him your best Simpson's Apu....see how that makes out. When is imitating an accent not done in a mocking fashion? Not overt racism....but the accent is used to show their "difference".

What about a British or Southern accent? Jamaicans aren't exclusively black.

Ford lives in a largely Jamaican area of the GTA. It's not surprising he can do a very good Jamaican patois.

I often find if I'm around people that speak a certain way I start speak that way as well and I'm not trying to mock at all, I'm trying to fit in better, I suspect that's what Ford was trying to do in the Steak Queen video.

People who want to shoehorn Ford as a racist for that incident incorrectly think that Jamaicans are a race of people. It's a nationality and a culture.

Olivia Chow dressed up in full Carabana regalia, she's not from that culture, why is she trying to act like people from a different culture from her own?

Edited August 30, 2014 by Boges

[Bob Macadoo]

What about a British or Southern accent? Jamaicans aren't exclusively black.

Yeah he was immitating the known white Jamaican population that immigrated into his nice suburban hood in the 60's.

Ford lives in a largely Jamaican area of the GTA. It's not surprising he can do a very good Jamaican patois.

If you thought it was a good patois you've never actually spent time with Jamaicans.

I often find if I'm around people that speak a certain way I start speak that way as well and I'm not trying to mock at all, I'm trying to fit in better, I suspect that's what Ford was trying to do in the Steak Queen video.

I suspect he was fall down drunk with the munchies and really had no clue who he was with or around.

People who want to shoehorn Ford as a racist for that incident incorrectly think that Jamaicans are a race of people. It's a nationality and a culture.

I'll remember your sentiment when people talk about "those Jamaicans" or "those Somalis".....they're a culture not a race.

Olivia Chow dressed up in full Carabana regalia, she's not from that culture, why is she trying to act like people from a different culture from her own?

She's a patronizing politician looking for grease......no better than Ford and his sweaty Flashdance he does....ughh. Edited August 31, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[On Guard for Thee]

And now it's being revealed how he lost his job as a football coach. Perhaps if he wants to flog this concept of 'the Kennedy's of Canada" or whatever that nonsense is, he should stop making young athelete's roll around in goose shit.

Just sayin'

[Boges]

Yeah he was immitating the known white Jamaican population that immigrated into his nice suburban hood in the 60's.

The point is it's not a racial group. There are plently of Jamaicans that aren't white. Would you call a black Canadian from Canadian parents who uses the accent racist as well? It's not his/her native accent.

Also, many white Jamaicans immigrated to Canada in the 70's due to political violence and a fear of communism.

If you thought it was a good patois you've never actually spent time with Jamaicans.

I actually have. People have said he did a decent job. The point is, he's around Jamaicans all the time. It's like calling Eminem racist for talking the way he does.

I'll remember your sentiment when people talk about "those Jamaicans" or "those Somalis".....they're a culture not a race.

There are certain countries that have pretty close to a 100% native ethnic make-up. Jamaica isn't one of those countries. Nor is Canada, nor is Britain. You wouldn't claim a British accent for a majority group.

When someone goes to Jamaica and says "NO PROBLEM MAN!" would you really be so bold as to label that imitation as racist?

Edited August 31, 2014 by Boges

[Bob Macadoo]

The point is it's not a racial group. There are plently of Jamaicans that aren't white. Would you call a black Canadian from Canadian parents who uses the accent racist as well? It's not his/her native accent.

No I'd label him an ethnic wannabe......is that what you claim Ford is....a 300lb red sweaty rastafarian?

It's like calling Eminem racist for talking the way he does.

So now you claim Ford's clique in grade/high school were Jamaicans? As for Eminem, that's Mathers actual childhood in Detroit. If you actually listen to him you'll notice his rap nor his cadence are immitations of accents.....its an actual regional dialect.

When someone goes to Jamaica and says "NO PROBLEM MAN!" would you really be so bold as to label that imitation as racist?

I'd be bold enough to say "are you a 'cultural' insensitive douche or just the Mayor of Toronto."? Edited August 31, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[Boges]

No I'd label him an ethnic wannabe......is that what you claim Ford is....a 300lb red sweaty rastafarian?

I think Ford was trying to fit in with a group of people he thought were "friends". He didn't have to use that accent, but then again he was drunk. Doesn't make what he did racist.

As for Eminem, that's Mathers actual childhood in Detroit. If you actually listen to him you'll notice his rap nor his cadence are immitations of accents.....its an actual regional dialect.

Jamaican patios is also a regional dialect. Has nothing to do with racial make-up at all.

I'd be bold enough to say "are you a 'cultural' insensitive douche or just the Mayor of Toronto."?

At least you've gotten off the racist angle. If your take is that imitating all accents if it's not your own is culturally insensitive then fine, I don't agree but it's a consistent opinion.

If you think that a person of a racial majority group imitating accent of a different cultural group is racist then I'd take issue with that. What if your parents have a different accent? Is imitating their accent wrong?

Edited August 31, 2014 by Boges

[Bob Macadoo]

If you think that a person of a racial majority group imitating accent of a different cultural group is racist then I'd take issue with that. What if your parents have a different accent? Is imitating their accent wrong?

Think about what you are saying....why would you be imitating their accent if you don't actually speak as them? Its to mock, jest....it may not be "racist" because apparently you can't use that word unless theirs a lynchin' going on, but it sure as hell has "cultu-racial" negativities to it. It don't matter if its Grand Wizard Cracker #1 doing it or second generation children......crap is crap.

[jacee]

I think Ford was trying to fit in with a group of people he thought were "friends". He didn't have to use that accent, but then again he was drunk. Doesn't make what he did racist.

Jamaican patios is also a regional dialect. Has nothing to do with racial make-up at all.

At least you've gotten off the racist angle. If your take is that imitating all accents if it's not your own is culturally insensitive then fine, I don't agree but it's a consistent opinion.

If you think that a person of a racial majority group imitating accent of a different cultural group is racist then I'd take issue with that. What if your parents have a different accent? Is imitating their accent wrong?

Lol

I don't think Ford's mother speaks Jamaican patois.

lol

[Boges]

Lol

I don't think Ford's mother speaks Jamaican patois.

lol

It's not the point.

Is using an accent that isn't your own always wrong?

Edited August 31, 2014 by Boges

[Boges]

Think about what you are saying....why would you be imitating their accent if you don't actually speak as them? Its to mock, jest....it may not be "racist" because apparently you can't use that word unless theirs a lynchin' going on, but it sure as hell has "cultu-racial" negativities to it. It don't matter if its Grand Wizard Cracker #1 doing it or second generation children......crap is crap.

Same with people using a British accent? Southern US accent?

Accents aren't racial people develop them through their surroundings.