WestCoastRunner Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Actually, I think that Derek has asked a very legitimate question. Vince Ready stated that he needed a media black out around the negotiations. WCR, could you please provide your thoughts on which details Mr Fassbender divulged to CBC? I mean, for you to make the statement above, you must have a really, really clear example to share with us. Twelve foot Ukraniane. Love that line. Thank you Wilbur. I do not agree with your politics, but great sense of humour. Come on! If you heard Fassbender make his media rounds you would know where he breached the media blackout. If you weren't paying attention, that is your problem. I'm not about to repeat his mistakes and further divulge his ridiculous statements. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Wilber - minor point but it is Vince Ready. Perhaps you are getting him mixed up with Helen Reddy. Nw I will be humming I Am Woman Hear Me Roar all night. What a ridiculous statement!!!!!!! Helen Reddy. Lets get real. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Wilber Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Her either. :-) "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) But, you asked if he had already made up his mind. I believe he was clear that he would only take this job if he could see the possibility of success. And, given that there will be a fine crop of snowballs in hell before the government give the teachers a richer settlement than the other PSU's, then it is up to the BCTF to come back to reality. Since he hasn't made it clear to us riff raff what those conditions are, everyone is free to claim they know his mind when they really know nothing. I find, the older I get the more I have come to believe partisanship is for fools. Edited August 25, 2014 by Wilber "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 So you say Reddy has already decided on the outcome. No, I've never said that......but he has set conditions to his getting involved.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Actually, I think that Derek has asked a very legitimate question. Vince Ready stated that he needed a media black out around the negotiations. WCR, could you please provide your thoughts on which details Mr Fassbender divulged to CBC? I mean, for you to make the statement above, you must have a really, really clear example to share with us. Why thank you sir.........One would think such a simple, yet pointed question would be easy to answer, especially if the respected members feels its answer is so obvious……..I don’t understand why this discussion should/or has taken an argumentative tone.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Come on! If you heard Fassbender make his media rounds you would know where he breached the media blackout. If you weren't paying attention, that is your problem. I'm not about to repeat his mistakes and further divulge his ridiculous statements. How about meeting myself and Pct2017 halfway, and pointing us towards a media report covering Fassbender's "apparent breach of the media blackout"?
TimG Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 How about meeting myself and Pct2017 halfway, and pointing us towards a media report covering Fassbender's "apparent breach of the media blackout"?Fassbender may have done nothing wrong according to the letter of the law but directing people to a web page that happened to promote the government POV was a bit underhanded. I can see why the union would be annoyed even if I disagree with them.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Fassbender may have done nothing wrong according to the letter of the law but directing people to a web page that happened to promote the government POV was a bit underhanded. I can see why the union would be annoyed even if I disagree with them. The BCTF hasn't done likewise?
Wilber Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 The BCTF hasn't done likewise? They hadn't been since Ready said he would consider mediating. I guess that's changed now. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 How about meeting myself and Pct2017 halfway, and pointing us towards a media report covering Fassbender's "apparent breach of the media blackout"? Easy, she obviously has no idea what she's talking about. You can let her of hook now. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
socialist Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Posted August 26, 2014 Actually, I think that Derek has asked a very legitimate question. Vince Ready stated that he needed a media black out around the negotiations. WCR, could you please provide your thoughts on which details Mr Fassbender divulged to CBC? I mean, for you to make the statement above, you must have a really, really clear example to share with us. Twelve foot Ukraniane. Love that line. Thank you Wilbur. I do not agree with your politics, but great sense of humour. BCTF Ramp Up Pressure on Government. Time is running out to et a deal done. Why is the government avoiding a mediator? http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/25/bc-teachers-strike-union-pressure-on-government_n_5708209.html Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Pct2017 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Love how the teachers feel that they are applying more pressure to the government by initiating picket lines at schools this week. The morons have been on strike since the middle of June but now they think to put up picket lines? Oh yeah, they did not have any kids to hold hostage for the last two months, and besides, they had already booked their flights to Italy and France, so picket duty would be an inconvenience. Yup, there is tremendous conviction and commitment by the whineykins known as teachers to this strike. I have said it before, but here is my free piece of advice for the teachers of BC. Learn to shut up and teach. The louder you shout about how hard you view your lives are, the more pathetic you look.
socialist Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Posted August 26, 2014 Flights to France and Italy? More made up stories by PCT. You have no clue how teachers are being hurt by defending public education. Make up some more stories for your ignorant crowd. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
waldo Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Flights to France and Italy? More made up stories by PCT. You have no clue how teachers are being hurt by defending public education. Make up some more stories for your ignorant crowd. no story here, socialist... my teacher friend (and his group) spent most of their time in Tuscany... but I did put my order in for their side shopping excursion to Milan. Carry on!
socialist Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Posted August 26, 2014 no story here, socialist... my teacher friend (and his group) spent most of their time in Tuscany... but I did put my order in for their side shopping excursion to Milan. Carry on! Where is your teacher friend from? I don't buy your little anecdote. I know many teachers struggling with mortgage payments. I thought you were a progressive, waldo, but the more you post the more I realize you are a Corporatist. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
waldo Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 socialist, you care... you really, really care! I'm caught up in the throes of your Neo-Liberal nemisis... please, send help!
socialist Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Posted August 26, 2014 socialist, you care... you really, really care! I'm caught up in the throes of your Neo-Liberal nemisis... please, send help! Hey waldo, did you read this link. How can you deny what is really happening? are you that obtuse. You're the one choosing to stay on the proverbial pot. Read this and tell me your thoughts; that is if it isn't beyond your understanding. http://www.remappingedu.com/shockdoctrineinbced/ Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Wilber Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 No, I've never said that......but he has set conditions to his getting involved. Apparently but why assume it is only the TF's demands that are holding it up. As far a I know, the govt hasn't dropped its pre conditions. Just lately the TF has been calling for mediation with no preconditions. This indicates to me, one of two possibilities. Either you are right and the TF has decided to come down on its demands, or you are wrong and the TF is not the sole reason the mediator won't step in. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
PIK Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 I am. But teachers in BC are being oppressed. The teachers and the union is fighting on behalf of kids and the public against powerful neo-liberals. That is what the ONT say. One teacher was so upset at the last meeting, and that was about when he retires he will lose 10g's on his sick days. Nothing about kids. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Apparently but why assume it is only the TF's demands that are holding it up. As far a I know, the govt hasn't dropped its pre conditions. Just lately the TF has been calling for mediation with no preconditions. This indicates to me, one of two possibilities. Either you are right and the TF has decided to come down on its demands, or you are wrong and the TF is not the sole reason the mediator won't step in. The BCTF will have to come down from their demands, the Government won't go into deficit or raise taxes..........coupled with the Government being able to weather a further work stoppage.......Soon, we'll start hearing about teachers losing their homes and going bankrupt... The BCTF should never have went to stage 3 job action so early.....Teachers would have been able to hold out longer with 90% pay, rather than 0%. I have no doubtt, once this is settled, the BCTF leadership will be given the toss.
socialist Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Posted August 26, 2014 Love how the teachers feel that they are applying more pressure to the government by initiating picket lines at schools this week. The morons have been on strike since the middle of June but now they think to put up picket lines? Oh yeah, they did not have any kids to hold hostage for the last two months, and besides, they had already booked their flights to Italy and France, so picket duty would be an inconvenience. Yup, there is tremendous conviction and commitment by the whineykins known as teachers to this strike. I have said it before, but here is my free piece of advice for the teachers of BC. Learn to shut up and teach. The louder you shout about how hard you view your lives are, the more pathetic you look. Hey PCT. Take a look at the poll. Take a look at how much support the govt has. http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2014/08/25/blackout-violation-threatens-bctf-deal Thankful to have become a free thinker.
TimG Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Just lately the TF has been calling for mediation with no preconditions.The problem with mediation is it tends to assume that both positions are equally valid. In this case, the government has an extremely solid rational for its wage offer and cannot really afford increase it because of the "me too" clauses in the other union contracts. Until the teachers union accepts that reality there will be no negotiated deal. Edited August 26, 2014 by TimG
Wilber Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) The problem with mediation is it tends to assume that both positions are equally valid. In this case, the government has an extremely solid rational for its wage offer and cannot really afford increase it because of the "me too" clauses in the other union contracts. Until the teachers union accepts that reality there will be no negotiated deal. The government's rational is the government's rational. Why would a mediator waste his time on a non negotiated deal? You think he is just there to be the government's mouthpiece? Edited August 26, 2014 by Wilber "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 The BCTF will have to come down from their demands, the Government won't go into deficit or raise taxes..........coupled with the Government being able to weather a further work stoppage.......Soon, we'll start hearing about teachers losing their homes and going bankrupt... The BCTF should never have went to stage 3 job action so early.....Teachers would have been able to hold out longer with 90% pay, rather than 0%. I have no doubtt, once this is settled, the BCTF leadership will be given the toss. I doubt the leadership will be given the toss. What you can count on is a much better prepared TF and an even more bitter dispute the next time around. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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