bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ran across this story today....something to the effect that the 'Canadian Dream' is a myth. What is the 'Canadian Dream', be it myth or reality ? Is this term just imported from the U.S. (as usual) for domestic political reasons ? Canada's middle-class is mortgaging its future to stay afloat, making the Canadian dream "a myth more than a reality." That's the blunt assessment of an internal Conservative government report, an unvarnished account of the plight of middle-income families that's in contrast to the rosier economic picture in this month's budget. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s-middle-class-mortgaging-its-future-with-debt-1.2548633 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ran across this story today....something to the effect that the 'Canadian Dream' is a myth. What is the 'Canadian Dream', be it myth or reality ? Is this term just imported from the U.S. (as usual) for domestic political reasons ? Canada's middle-class is mortgaging its future to stay afloat, making the Canadian dream "a myth more than a reality." That's the blunt assessment of an internal Conservative government report, an unvarnished account of the plight of middle-income families that's in contrast to the rosier economic picture in this month's budget. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s-middle-class-mortgaging-its-future-with-debt-1.2548633 Yet another reason to oust the Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Yet another reason to oust the Conservatives. Huh ? The report goes back to the 1990's. Was the 'Canadian Dream' just invented in 2006 ? The Liberals have destroyed Ontario on many levels, not the Conservatives. Edited February 24, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Huh ? The report goes back to the 1990's. Was the 'Canadian Dream' just invented in 2006 ? The Liberals have destroyed Ontario on many levels, not the Conservatives. Huh? '06 wasn't our first Conservative gov't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Huh? '06 wasn't our first Conservative gov't. It was for the period of this report. Oh where...oh where has the 'Canadian Dream' gone ? Oh, and what is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 It was for the period of this report. Oh where...oh where has the 'Canadian Dream' gone ? Oh, and what is it ? I have no idea, it's mostly an American term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I have no idea, it's mostly an American term. That's what I figured too, but who am I to say ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 That's what I figured too, but who am I to say ? What's the French Dream? Or the German Dream? What's the Venezulean Dream? As it was pointed out, it's meaningless outside the US it's used as a romanticised notion of home-ownership and financial stability. What is the Canadian Dream? Depends on where you live - out here it's owining any piece of property and spending your time outdoors. In Toronto, I'm sure it's different... more corporate, less outdoorsy, but a more world-class city. I love Toronto. Quebec, leur pays n'est pay un pay, c'est l'hiver as they famously coined. Just getting through winter, having some port through the cold nights, dominating the intellectual and artistic hub of the country while dressing really cool and cussing out the Anglais may be a bit of Quebecois Dream. So yeah, no "Canadian Dream", but broken little provincial dreams seem to be more our thing And yes, our housing is pretty scary. It was starting to raise early 2000's but instead of fixing thing, the Harper government rolled out the 40 year mortgages so that we can keep paying for the shacks which were starting to raise in price given the impact of foreign investment on the luxury market. Not sure you noticed, but prices pretty much doubled since Harper came in power and I don't see things having gotten this bad had we stayed with the 25 year mortgages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 To meet Celine Dion. She lives on the same street as every Canadian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Huh? '06 wasn't our first Conservative gov't. Conservative party of Canada? Yes it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) ....So yeah, no "Canadian Dream", but broken little provincial dreams seem to be more our thing This seems to be the case, as the term has been around for some time according to the CBC, including Elvis Presley. http://www.cbc.ca/history/SECTIONSE1EP15CH3LE.html Then there is Sam Roberts' take on the 'Canadian Dream': Edited February 24, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 To meet Celine Dion. She lives on the same street as every Canadian. OK..but I thought Celine lived in Las Vegas, Nevada. Different kind of dream I guess...maybe with white tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 OK..but I thought Celine lived in Las Vegas, Nevada. Different kind of dream I guess...maybe with white tigers. Old South Park joke... Yes...those tigers are more dangerous than are let on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 This Canadian's dream is a discussion board unencumbered by an American troll creating posts and topics designed to afford him opportunities to denigrate Canadians. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 To live long enough to cash that first old age secruity check?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 This Canadian's dream is a discussion board unencumbered by an American troll Different idea entirely...this thread is about the 'Canadian Dream', common usage in Canadian media, and regional differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) And yes, our housing is pretty scary. It was starting to raise early 2000's but instead of fixing thing, the Harper government rolled out the 40 year mortgages so that we can keep paying for the shacks which were starting to raise in price given the impact of foreign investment on the luxury market. Not sure you noticed, but prices pretty much doubled since Harper came in power and I don't see things having gotten this bad had we stayed with the 25 year mortgages. It was because house prices started to rise that CMHC allowed the 40 year mortgages otherwise a majority of first time home owners wouldn't be able to get into the market. In my opinion the issue wasn't the term of the mortgage, it was that they allowed this mortgage with zero percent down! People should be required to put down at least 10% to show they are serious about owning a home as it is serious business. They have since reduced the term in 2008 back to 35 years and in 2012 moved it back to 25 year mortgages. Edited February 24, 2014 by Accountability Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Its a term stolen from the Americans, since as we all know, americans are always thinking of attaining the Canadian Dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Conservative party of Canada? Yes it was. No, that's Sir John A McDonald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I think the term "Canadian dream" is embarrassing. But, I'm comforted to know that the Conservatives are realizing that the open market isn't bringing money to their rockbed of support in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 No, that's Sir John A McDonald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada That was the Liberal-Conservative Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) I think the term "Canadian dream" is embarrassing. But, I'm comforted to know that the Conservatives are realizing that the open market isn't bringing money to their rockbed of support in the middle. Why is the term embarrassing ? American references aside, it just seems to be a tidy way to describe the loss of assumed and/or mythical opportunity that is gone or never even existed, along with a long presumed advantage over "developing nations". The Maritimes have long struggled with a "dream" gone missing, never to return. The report seems to stop at 2007, so the money trend has been longer than just Conservative rule. Edited February 24, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 That was the Liberal-Conservative Party.[/size] The [/size]Conservative Party of Canada has gone by a variety of names over the years since[/size]Canadian Confederation. Initially known as the "[/size]Liberal-Conservative Party", it dropped "Liberal" from its name in 1873, although many of its candidates continued to use this name.[/size] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_of_Canada_(1867-1942) Check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Why is the term embarrassing ? American references aside, it just seems to be a tidy way to describe the loss of assumed and/or mythical opportunity that is gone or never even existed, along with a long presumed advantage over "developing nations". Are you saying it's different from American Dream in ways other than the geography ? The American Dream and the American Way are American things. We can say we long for the "American Dream" if that's what it is. The Canadian Dream was the CP railway, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_of_Canada_(1867-1942) Check You check. Different organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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