bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Seems clear to me. You simply say their views are racist instead. Right...this is not rocket science. Play the ball...yada...yada...yada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Seems clear to me. You simply say their views are racist instead.That doesn't fly either, even when you provide a roadmap and references where necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I think a good idea might be to show how they are racist, so they can put forward a defence and show how they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I think a good idea might be to show how they are racist, so they can put forward a defence and show how they are not."Yeah. I am a racist. So.... what is your point?"That doesn't fly either, even when you provide a roadmap and references where necessary.Of course not.You are wasting effort defending a "You are racist!" post because mod staff does not care whether the statement is true or not. The veracity of the statement does not enter into the equation of moderator intervention. Right...this is not rocket science. Play the ball...yada...yada...yada...Correct.Fire-crackers in the theater are annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Fire-crackers in the theater are annoying. Ad hominem = fire-crackers Thread drift = cell phone Cross posting = sneaking into another theatre in the multiplex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 "Yeah. I am a racist. So.... what is your point?" Name one poster that hasn't already been banned who would put that up as their argument. Anyway, the whole point of debate is debate. Look at the judges thread. Accusations of racism seem to be the only argument against the proposition the the PM would appoint judges based on anything but their legal credentials. And that seems to be as far as it goes. It would be nice if someone actually pointed out how noticing partisan political appointees is racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Is it ok to call someone xenophobic? I don't much like labels but stating what is and then addressing it shouldn't be a problem. Calling someone a leftie is no different. Edited June 25, 2016 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Is it ok to call someone xenophobic? I don't much like labels but stating what is and then addressing it shouldn't be a problem. Calling someone a leftie is no different. It should be okay to call anyone anything as long as you have some way of showing why you came to that opinion of them. At least then the person in question can argue the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 It should be okay to call anyone anything as long as you have some way of showing why you came to that opinion of them. At least then the person in question can argue the point. Really? Without getting a suspension? So I can say 'you are racist because'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) You are wasting effort defending a "You are racist!" post because mod staff does not care whether the statement is true or not That's nonsensical. This forum is about truthful discussion. If someone says something that meets the textbook definition of racism, would you rather we all just beat around the bush? Edited June 25, 2016 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Let's face it. The term 'racist' is so normalized now that many people identify as being racist with no problem at all. Let's remember what 'racism' means. It's not a bad word that should be banned from a thread when racism rears itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 That's nonsensical. This forum is about truthful discussion. If someone says something that meets the textbook definition of racism, would you rather we all just beat around the bush? Exactly. Let's have honest discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Really? Without getting a suspension? So I can say 'you are racist because'... I don't get the fascination that some people on this forum have with finding acceptable ways to call someone a racist. Is it really that important to you to call people racists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Let's face it. The term 'racist' is so normalized now that many people identify as being racist with no problem at all. Who on this forum self-identifies as a racist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Really? Without getting a suspension? So I can say 'you are racist because'... I would say so. Racism is well defined, generally. If you think someone has made a racist comment you should be allowed to say so. They won't agree, of course, and they might well be right. I think you have to be prepared to listen, too. There might be legitimate reasons for their disdain that have nothing to do with race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I don't get the fascination that some people on this forum have with finding acceptable ways to call someone a racist. Is it really that important to you to call people racists? Acceptable ways? Hence the question about xenophobic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 I would say so. Racism is well defined, generally. If you think someone has made a racist comment you should be allowed to say so. They won't agree, of course, and they might well be right. I think you have to be prepared to listen, too. There might be legitimate reasons for their disdain that have nothing to do with race. Exactly my point. If someone can be called an idiot progressive or whatever the flavour of the month is, why hide from a label 'racist'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Who on this forum self-identifies as a racist? I have no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Here are some definitions Xenophobic. intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Racist. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. If we can determine that a poster has fallen into these definitions should we not be allowed to apply that label and have them defend their beliefs as not being either of the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I think this is an incredibly important topic to discuss considering the suspensions that are being given out directly related to this. And given the global political climate that we are living in today. Edited June 25, 2016 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Here are some definitions Xenophobic. intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Racist. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. If we can determine that a poster has fallen into these definitions should we not be allowed to apply that label and have them defend their beliefs as not being either of the above? Absolutely. Frankly, if that were the case I think accusations would decrease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Absolutely. Frankly, if that were the case I think accusations would decrease. I agree. Labelling someone as racist is not derogatory. It's simply applying a definition to their posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Here are some definitions Xenophobic. intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Racist. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. If we can determine that a poster has fallen into these definitions should we not be allowed to apply that label and have them defend their beliefs as not being either of the above? There's no one here since Mr.Canada got banned that falls into that definition of racist, and yet people bandy about accusations of racism all the time. Still not sure why wanting to call people racists is so important to some posters here. How does calling people racists "improve this discussion forum"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 So, who gets to chair the, everyone who doesnt abide by the strict tenants of progessivism is a racist committee? Ok, the name is a work in progress. But for some here any disagreement on a hot button topic that progs cant defend will sooner or later get someone called a racist. No doubt that can be found in some "textbook", who gets to approve which one we use? i bet i can guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 There's no one here since Mr.Canada got banned that falls into that definition of racist, and yet people bandy about accusations of racism all the time. Still not sure why wanting to call people racists is so important to some posters here. How does calling people racists "improve this discussion forum"? Racist is a specific term. Let's bring it out in the open, shed some light on it instead of worrying about being suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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