What improvements would you like to see in this discussion forum?

[Shady]

In your opinion of course......could not the same be said for all members?

Yep.

[Argus]

As I said, it’s a subjective term…….One person’s troll can be another person’s valued contributor.

Oh, I rather doubt anyone considers them valued contributors. Those who don't think they're trolls most probably think they're bathshit crazy.

[Argus]

Nor do I.....There has to be some level of moderated decorum,

Which requires you treat the bathshit crazy contributors and their lunatic assertions with respect? Easier said than done.

[Argus]

The problem is this...yes BC is a troll....but not always....sometimes his contributions are extremely valuable to a discussion...but...not always.

And how often do you suspect monty16s contributions are extremely valuable to a discussion? Or Socialists?

[Derek 2.0]

Oh, I rather doubt anyone considers them valued contributors. Those who don't think they're trolls most probably think they're bathshit crazy.

That clearly depends on the member and the topic…..

[Derek 2.0]

Which requires you treat the bathshit crazy contributors and their lunatic assertions with respect? Easier said than done.

Not respect, but indifference (or avoidance) if that's how you view the member.

[bush_cheney2004]

The problem is this...yes BC is a troll....but not always....sometimes his contributions are extremely valuable to a discussion...but...not always.

Reported....personal attacks are not permitted.

[bush_cheney2004]

And how often do you suspect monty16s contributions are extremely valuable to a discussion? Or Socialists?

Or yours ? Who gets to decide...you ?

[Argus]

Or yours ? Who gets to decide...you ?

I'm sane, so why not me?

[Argus]

Reported....personal attacks are not permitted.

Why? He was saying nicer things about you than most of them were.

[Derek 2.0]

I'm sane, so why not me?

I don't doubt you are sane, but do you honestly feel, at times, other members might not take umbrage to some of your posts....so much so, they might consider these examples as trolling?

[Bob Macadoo]

Why? He was saying nicer things about you than most of them were.

That's your subjectivity coming through.....vs. his objective doucheness.

[Derek 2.0]

That's your subjectivity coming through.....vs. his objective doucheness.

Though after clarification from smallc I don’t believe he meant harm, one could very well read the post as a personal attack……..Subjectivity indeed.

Now couldn’t the same courtesy be given to the “Great MLW Troll”?

[bush_cheney2004]

Why? He was saying nicer things about you than most of them were.

Because this member has a history of the same exact personal attack against me and others. No more Mister Nice Guy.....

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22140-why-our-mindsets-are-so-different/page-12#entry871739

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/20965-windsordetroit-bridge-is-a-go/page-6#entry806496

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/19215-phil-fontaine-liberal-leader/page-4#entry690837

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/18967-president-obama-a-hit-with-the-queen/page-3#entry675245

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/16164-obamas-census-choice-simply-african-american/page-6#entry537835

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/15656-environment-oilsands/page-5#entry498378

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/15244-h1n1-pandemic/page-13#entry478231

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/14807-what-should-be-an-example-for-quebec/#entry457750

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/14559-canadian-defends-anti-medicare-ad/page-51#entry450764

Edited June 22, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Bob Macadoo]

I don't doubt you are sane, but do you honestly feel, at times, other members might not take umbrage to some of your posts....so much so, they might consider these examples as trolling?

Aye, many people do take umbrage, but as can be seen in this thread....not one is calling for his head.

With respect to socialist.......the views and prose they use is extreme (and highly disagreeable) but not used to deflect from a discussion, in fact that member confines themself to a small corner of the room. Now the subject member ensures their prose is purposefully disruptive, rarely contributes to further discussion in the thread, and goes out of the way to attract the attention of the thread from the subject to themselves (I'm rubber you're glue, nyah nyah mentality). This in my definition is trolling......he could have a mainstream view or a batshit crazy view....it doesn't matter. A narcissist is a narcissist.

[Derek 2.0]

Because this member has a history of the same exact personal attack against me and others. No more Mister Nice Guy.....

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22140-why-our-mindsets-are-so-different/page-12#entry871739

And it would be fair to say that if you contributed a similar post, a great many members would succumb to joint and tendon problems in their hands well hitting the report button.

[Argus]

I don't doubt you are sane, but do you honestly feel, at times, other members might not take umbrage to some of your posts....so much so, they might consider these examples as trolling?

Oh I know Charles does. He's said so. That's one of the reasons I agree with others that Charles doesn't know what trolling is.

But when I speak of someone trolling I don't speak of the odd post which might be outrageous in nature to the easily outraged, but of a pretty much continuous line of utter nonsense which is almost cliche'd in its radicalism. In one case, a particular frequent poster potraying himself as a radical leftist unionist evidently forgot what account he was logged in on and posted several very serious posts which were strongly anti-union and conservative in nature. After deleting them, he has continued to portray himself as an arch leftist union supporter. What is that but a troll?

[Bob Macadoo]

In one case, a particular frequent poster potraying himself as a radical leftist unionist evidently forgot what account he was logged in on and posted several very serious posts which were strongly anti-union and conservative in nature. After deleting them, he has continued to portray himself as an arch leftist union supporter. What is that but a troll?

Name names? It wasn't jbg was it? ; )

Edited June 22, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[bush_cheney2004]

And it would be fair to say that if you contributed a similar post, a great many members would succumb to joint and tendon problems in their hands well hitting the report button.

Perhaps.....there is a continuum of posts and behaviours by some members that sets the stage for reporting by others, myself included. Maybe some members feel that forum rules enforcement have been inoculated against any attacks involving "trolling" or "troll" assertions because of the long discussion.

[Derek 2.0]

Aye, many people do take umbrage, but as can be seen in this thread....not one is calling for his head.

Certainly, but some members could also take some of these views as what they are, choose to respond or ignore…….instead of calling for his head.

With respect to socialist.......the views and prose they use is extreme (and highly disagreeable) but not used to deflect from a discussion, in fact that member confines themself to a small corner of the room.

And with respect to that member, what do most others do in response to most of his posts?

Now the subject member ensures their prose is purposefully disruptive, rarely contributes to further discussion in the thread, and goes out of the way to attract the attention of the thread from the subject to themselves (I'm rubber you're glue, nyah nyah mentality). This in my definition is trolling......he could have a mainstream view or a batshit crazy view....it doesn't matter. A narcissist is a narcissist.

Is it narcissism to eek out a vantage point unpopular with a majority of posters? Say for instance in one of the numerous topics encompassing all things Pax-Americana……If the majority takes a position critical, and a few members (BC2004 and Shady for example) attempt to take a counter position, the trend appears to diminish their contributions in a disparaging fashion……

Same goes with past topics surrounding religion and Christianity……In my opinion (as a devout agnostic) I find the level of discourse in these threads, namely from those on the disparaging side of organized religion, to be utterly disgusting and argumentative…..A great many members with these views though I might find agreeable in other topics, that of course, in my mind, is reason enough to continue in other areas….not call for an outright ban of said members.

[Derek 2.0]

But when I speak of someone trolling I don't speak of the odd post which might be outrageous in nature to the easily outraged, but of a pretty much continuous line of utter nonsense which is almost cliche'd in its radicalism. In one case, a particular frequent poster potraying himself as a radical leftist unionist evidently forgot what account he was logged in on and posted several very serious posts which were strongly anti-union and conservative in nature. After deleting them, he has continued to portray himself as an arch leftist union supporter. What is that but a troll?

A cry for help?

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

This thread is locked until further notice. There is something heavy that I got to sort out.

In the meantime, those of you who wish to post in this discussion, hold your thoughts. Make sure they are on topic and play the ball as opposed to any player or any fan for that matter.

Ch. A.

[Charles Anthony]

This thread is open again.

[WWWTT]

I saw Charles Anthony made a comment on this thread and thought it would be worth my time to check out what he thought of a recent idea for an improvement or maybe he had one.

I was disappointed to see that again he locked another thread, then re opened it.

I scanned back 4-5 pages to see if there was any ideas or discussion for improvements. I gave up around 4-5 pages because I could plainly see that this was just a free for all rant about trolling. Man what a waste of freekin time reading that BS some of you people go on about!

Here's an idea. Every time a thread goes way off topic about trolling or some other stupid bickering (and not just a few comments, I'm talking about pages!), the thread gets flagged (similar as to when a thread is popular, it gets flagged "hot")

I really don't like any threads getting locked for any period of time whatsoever! Maybe this could be an alternative.

This way some of us can save a little time and avoid the bickering if we don't feel in the mood of getting involved.

LOL, or am I spun to actually make a suggestion for an improvement?

WWWTT

[Smallc]

Reported....personal attacks are not permitted.

I was defending you, but since I was reported and suspended, it wont be repeated. I apologize for any confusion or offence.