What improvements would you like to see in this discussion forum?

[Derek 2.0]

gee... perhaps someone (else) should ask the moderator for a/his definition that this board is "supposedly" subject to. In recent posts I've asked... and re-asked, with the asks remaining outstanding. How about you have a go, hey!

I don't how/if they could have a nuanced definition….As I’ve said, it’s clearly a subjective term……

[waldo]

I don't how/if they could have a nuanced definition….As I’ve said, it’s clearly a subjective term……

so what if it's subjective... what's the subjective definition this board "supposedly" adhers to... the subjective definition of this boards' single moderator?

[Derek 2.0]

so what if it's subjective... what's the subjective definition this board "supposedly" adhers to... the subjective definition of this boards' single moderator?

I haven't a clue.

[waldo]

I haven't a clue.

that's why you're going to ask in a post, right? Maybe the moderator just has me on ignore and you'll cut through the 'fog of (troll) wars'!!!

[cybercoma]

Give it up. None of this matters. The board is going to be run the way Greg and Charles want to run it. That much is clear.

[jbg]

What happens to trolls that nobody feeds?

Of course “troll” is a subjective term…….what you might find tedious, could be a thought provoking and engaging discussion for others.

So you feel others should be stifled or silenced because you might find some annoying or tedious?

Is there unanimity among members on what is trolling and flame-bait? I think not.

I wish my most serious problems were board trolls.

[bush_cheney2004]

I wish my most serious problems were board trolls.

That reminds me of a popular Jay Z diddy used by the Obama campaign in 2008:

...99 Problems but a troll ain't one

If you having troll problems I feel bad for you son

I got 99 problems but a troll ain't one

Edited June 20, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Charles Anthony]

I don't how/if they could have a nuanced definition….As I’ve said, it’s clearly a subjective term……

so what if it's subjective...

Good. We agree the definition is subjective. Let us move on.

[waldo]

Good. We agree the definition is subjective.

good. we agree the definition of troll/trolling is subjective; except, apparently, no one knows what your controlling subjective definition is. I just perused your other linked reference (your other new post). You don't state what that/your subjective definition is there either... you simply say "Answered already up above:" I have absolutely no clue where your "above answer is"... could you relate that explicitly; ideally, could you quote it in its entirety as a reply to this post? Thanks in advance.

[GostHacked]

Give it up. None of this matters. The board is going to be run the way Greg and Charles want to run it. That much is clear.

We run it more than they do. We provide the content and discussions, they simply provide the platform.

[BubberMiley]

I have absolutely no clue where your "above answer is"...

Wasn't it

"A troll acts to disrupt a forum and or to stifle discussion and or to propagate misinformation."?

I maintain it's a goat-eating monster that lives under the bridge.

[guyser]

What if the others that share your opinion also ignore said troll?

Easy, as can be seen....he ramps up the trollish behaviour.

Hell, now hes on his own mod tangent with a whiny bitchfest of "thats a personal attack"

[waldo]

Easy, as can be seen....he ramps up the trollish behaviour.

Hell, now hes on his own mod tangent with a whiny bitchfest of "thats a personal attack"

claiming victimhood, censorship and harassment! That's gold, real gold!

[Bob Macadoo]

claiming victimhood, censorship and harassment! That's gold, real gold!

Again its not subjective if everyone points at the troll.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again its not subjective if everyone points at the troll.

That only works for Salem witch trials and body snatchers:

[Bob Macadoo]

That only works for Salem witch trials and body snatchers.

Been saving that one have you? I know you should where your "Want Gun Control? Use Both Hands." T-shirt.

[Derek 2.0]

Again its not subjective if everyone points at the troll.

Then what is it? Tyranny of the majority?

[Derek 2.0]

Easy, as can be seen....he ramps up the trollish behaviour.

Hell, now hes on his own mod tangent with a whiny bitchfest of "thats a personal attack"

Nobody else “trolls”? Or is this other “trolling” just the result of one member? If so, I’m shocked that a goodly sum of members have little self-control and allow another member to alter their behaviour in such a significant way….

Even if the “great troll of MLW” does have this much control over so many members lives, I would think the first step in “combating” said “troll” is to reduce the apparent significance his contributions have by ignoring him……

[Bob Macadoo]

Then what is it? Tyranny of the majority?

As has been discussed in this thread, this ain't no democracy. No need for a bill of rights. Tyranny or Efficiency of the Majority makes no never mind to me. Besides we're not talking about supressing views.....only behaviours. There are viewpoints here I disagree with (you high on the list) but no one that I see says you live under a bridge. Now other's who don't really debate or further discussion with pointed references end up derailing topics, dissuading contributions, and disturbing contributors to the point they wish to leave.....should be tossed out on their ear.......cause this can be as totalitarian as it needs to be in order to achieve the goal (I assume); Maintain/increase membership.

[Derek 2.0]

As has been discussed in this thread, this ain't no democracy. No need for a bill of rights. Tyranny or Efficiency of the Majority makes no never mind to me. Besides we're not talking about supressing views.....only behaviours. There are viewpoints here I disagree with (you high on the list) but no one that I see says you live under a bridge. Now other's who don't really debate or further discussion with pointed references end up derailing topics, dissuading contributions, and disturbing contributors to the point they wish to leave.....should be tossed out on their ear.......cause this can be as totalitarian as it needs to be in order to achieve the goal (I assume); Maintain/increase membership.

This is very true, democracy is certainly not practiced (as we’ve covered already), but with that in mind, the word proclaimed from atop the Mountain by Charles is that if another member hurts another’s feelings, said member should ignore that member and move along……..Seems a straightforward enough decree, not embroiled in complex jargon nor requiring plebiscites, kangaroo courts, torches nor pitchforks…….

If Charles & Greg state trolling is a subjective term in this fiefdom, well also prescribing a cure for those in need, it’s seems the course of action going forward for the victims of trolling is clear…..pull-up your big-boy/girl pants and ignore the mischievous troll so as to avoid future problems.

[bush_cheney2004]

...should be tossed out on their ear.......cause this can be as totalitarian as it needs to be in order to achieve the goal (I assume); Maintain/increase membership.

Not gonna happen....diversity of views is far more important and interesting than keeping someone as a member.

[waldo]

Nobody else “trolls”? Or is this other “trolling” just the result of one member? If so, I’m shocked that a goodly sum of members have little self-control and allow another member to alter their behaviour in such a significant way….

Even if the “great troll of MLW” does have this much control over so many members lives, I would think the first step in “combating” said “troll” is to reduce the apparent significance his contributions have by ignoring him……

you're simplistic to the point of banality! It's been stated many times over... not everyone will ignore the troll! Accordingly, the troll will still steer thread discussions in the direction the troll wants... and away from the discussion direction the troll doesn't want; i.e., the troll shits all over threads, effectively derails them while scurrying away with glee, particularly when someone takes the bait. Long-standing members have left because of the troll; new members are not encouraged to stay because of the troll... guests looking in see a gong-show! And this has been allowed to exist for years... and it's allowed to perpetuate today. Why, we're even told of the ancillary benefits of it... comedic effect, no less!

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[waldo]

Not gonna happen....diversity of views is far more important and interesting than keeping someone as a member.

that's rich! Trolling is now a "diversity of view".

[Derek 2.0]

you're simplistic to the point of banality! It's been stated many times over... not everyone will ignore the troll! Accordingly, the troll will still steer thread discussions in the direction the troll wants... and away from the discussion direction the troll doesn't want; i.e., the troll shits all over threads, effectively derails them while scurrying away with glee, particularly when someone takes the bait. Long-standing members have left because of the troll; new members are not encouraged to stay because of the troll... guests looking in see a gong-show! And this has been allowed to exist for years... and it's allowed to perpetuate today. Why, we're even told of the ancillary benefits of it... comedic effect, no less!

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And what if not everyone ignores the troll? Perhaps some find said troll engaging in a given subject mater……or others like a debate boarding on argument if they’re passionate on a given issue……

None the less, if you find a given member to be a troll, and choose not to engage, what prevents you from discussing the given topic with other members, well ignoring the proclaimed troll?

As to follow on effects with other members, have you considered that others are put off by others and not just the identified troll? As I think was mentioned by Charles, every member here could be construed a troll at times.

[bush_cheney2004]

...None the less, if you find a given member to be a troll, and choose not to engage, what prevents you from discussing the given topic with other members, well ignoring the proclaimed troll?

'Zactly !! I am presently ignoring several hostile members regardless of their troll index. This forum has less vitriol and hateful slime attacks because of it. Should have done it years ago.