eyeball Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 In fact, what is engulfing the region is a massive CIA operation, a geostrategic plan long in the making: Please...these clowns couldn't organize a barbecue without cocking things up. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
monty16 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 IF and only IF the following article I came across, the people of the world and the USA are being scammed of what is really happening in the Middle-East and the reason for the high price of gasoline, at least in Canada. So read the following and state your thoughts. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-redrawing-of-the-map-of-the-middle-east-begins-with-destruction-of-iraq/5387928 A worthwhile article but probably too deep for most of the people on this forum. Some true in my opinion and some aimed at US partisan domestic politics. It mentions that the media is still neglecting to tell the true story. Fixing that would be the best thing that could be done in the short term at least. In the meantime, RT news is bringing some of the truths to light! It's sad that so many Americans and even Canadians have been so propagandized by the US that they are afraid to read the truth. You posted the link so what stands out for you as important? This could be the basis of a worthwhile discussion here! Quote
Argus Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 I don't think he has been out of moms basement....just a guess... I'm not old enough to remember, but I'm guessing that when the USSR's fellow travellers were frantically trying to assure everyone about the bliss and equality and peacefulness of the Soviet Union they'd bring along copies of Pravda and tell everyone how that was the real news the evil capitalist running dog imperialists wouldn't tell them. Now we have RT... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 RT is Russian state run television. Don't kid yourself. However you will find the stuff on the USA on RT that you would not find on US MSM. And vice versa. Overall RT is no better than CNN or Fox. No better? It's not a news program at all. It's a government propaganda station, and anyone who fails to recognize that instantly loses all credibilit with thinking people. The 911 truthers and birther types love it though. It tells them the 'real' news. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
monty16 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 No better? It's not a news program at all. It's a government propaganda station, and anyone who fails to recognize that instantly loses all credibilit with thinking people. The 911 truthers and birther types love it though. It tells them the 'real' news. Anybody that sees the truth from RT news and isn't smart enough to either understand it or rebut it, had no credibility to begin with. Substance is above their heads and they can only parrot the US propaganda line. Russia bad, grunt, grunt, US good, grunt, grunt. Smaller brain than a slug. Quote
Argus Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 IF and only IF the following article I came across, the people of the world and the USA are being scammed of what is really happening in the Middle-East and the reason for the high price of gasoline, at least in Canada. So read the following and state your thoughts. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-redrawing-of-the-map-of-the-middle-east-begins-with-destruction-of-iraq/5387928 Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as the moonbat equivalent to WorldNetDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profitThe Centre for Research on Globalisation founded by Michel Chossudovsky. The website describes itself as an "independent research and media organization." Globalresearch.ca takes pride in being a reliable "alternative news" source serving as a major repository of a broad range of "news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media (such as the New World Order. Its economic stance is strongly anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-militarist, internationalist but anti-globalization. Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist. While many of Globalresearch.ca's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping and bullshit throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from Russia Today, along with other unreliable and/or open sources. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Anybody that sees the truth from RT news and isn't smart enough to either understand it or rebut it, had no credibility to begin with. Substance is above their heads and they can only parrot the US propaganda line. Russia bad, grunt, grunt, US good, grunt, grunt. Smaller brain than a slug. I think those credulous and crazy enough to take RT seriously would need a crane just to elevate their thought processes to the level of a slug. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russia_Today Edited June 21, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-TSS- Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) I must say that I envy you Canadians that you have been able to keep this rubbish at bay. I wish we in Europe had the similar resoluteness as you have over the pond. Edited June 22, 2014 by -TSS- Quote
Topaz Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 I not saying you wrong but on the other side, how we know they are wrong? Are we only to be believe what our governments say and everyone else is full of baloney?? How many governments are 100% trustworthy? I don't think there are any. Quote
monty16 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 I must say that I envy you Canadians that you have been able to keep this rubbish at bay. I wish we in Europe had the similar resoluteness as you have over the pond. Heh, it's the price we don't pay for not signing on to Bush2's phony war against Iraq. It could be the price G.B. will pay for being a US lapdog. Blair undoubtedly thought that he was repaying a debt from 65 or 70 years ago. Never fear, Harper could get one last chance. Quote
monty16 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) BEIRUT (AP) — In a reflection of how intertwined the Syria and Iraq conflicts have become, thousands of Shiite Iraqi militiamen helping President Bashar Assad crush the Sunni-led uprising against him are returning home, putting a strain on the overstretched Syrian military as it struggles to retain territory recaptured in recent months from rebels. The borders between the two countries are being largely ignored, with fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant said to be crossing freely from one side to the other, transporting weapons, equipment and cash in a development that has potential to shift the balance of power in a largely stalemated battle. The seizure of large chunks of Iraq by militants does offer Assad a messaging victory: he has long insisted that the uprising against him is the work of foreign-inspired Islamic extremists, suggesting that the West needs to work with him to check the influence of jihadis, and that the radicals, not the divided and weaker pro-Western moderate rebels, are the real alternative to his rule. The violent actions and speedy successes of the same group in Iraq, against a government the West does essentially support, seem to align with his argument. And he can relish the fact that the U.S. is weighing airstrikes against Sunni militants in Iraq — and possibly Syria — while shying away from any military action against his government for the past three years. LOL. Gotta be more lies from RT news. Right? Edited June 22, 2014 by monty16 Quote
Argus Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 I not saying you wrong but on the other side, how we know they are wrong? Are we only to be believe what our governments say and everyone else is full of baloney?? How many governments are 100% trustworthy? I don't think there are any. That's why you try to scan more trustworthy media. I like Euroenews and the BBC, and to some extent GW (German news). You can also find plenty of reliable on-line sources like the Christian Science Monitor and the Econmist. There are also, unfortunately, a lot of 'moonbat' sites out there, and this is one of them. RT is similar except its a Putin Propaganda channel. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Posted June 22, 2014 Argus, those sources are good. I like the BBC, and some really good stuff comes from CSM. Quote
monty16 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 It appears that nobody on this site had the intelligence to even question RT news. Screaming is not, is not, is only going to keep the US propaganda effort alive. And look at what that has brought us, especially in Iraq. The US has proven that they are the scourge of the world in the 21st. century. The only argument that can even be attempted to disprove that now is trying to make it out as all in the name of humanitarian efforts. Quote
Big Guy Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 More and more it appears that Iraq will end up partitioned based on religion. The Kurds hold the far North, the Sunni are in control of the North and West and the Shia hold and will defend the South and Southeast. It is ironic that in 2006, then Senator from Delaware, Joe Biden, declared a possible solution to the (impending at the time) escalating violence in Iraq; http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301419.html Looks like the end solution, if it is political, will result in what Biden proposed. Who wooda thought!?! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 More and more it appears that Iraq will end up partitioned based on religion. The Kurds hold the far North, the Sunni are in control of the North and West and the Shia hold and will defend the South and Southeast. It is ironic that in 2006, then Senator from Delaware, Joe Biden, declared a possible solution to the (impending at the time) escalating violence in Iraq; http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301419.html Looks like the end solution, if it is political, will result in what Biden proposed. Who wooda thought!?! The question best asked though, is to whom will be doing the partitioning, how many years to achieve and how many lives will it cost. Quote
-TSS- Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Damned if you and damned if don't-situation for the USA as if they intervene that is another invasion but if they don't then they will be accused of overlooking a humanitarian catastrophe they may have been able to prevent. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Posted June 23, 2014 Damned if you and damned if don't-situation for the USA as if they intervene that is another invasion but if they don't then they will be accused of overlooking a humanitarian catastrophe they may have been able to prevent. That is part of it. Quote
monty16 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Damned if you and damned if don't-situation for the USA as if they intervene that is another invasion but if they don't then they will be accused of overlooking a humanitarian catastrophe they may have been able to prevent. Some would question why the US got involved in the first place. A sure way to not be 'damned' is to keep out of ME oil rich countries. Pity the US for being damned after all their humanitarian efforts! When people deliberately stand under US bombs, there's nothing the US could have done. It was the same as people deliberately standing under Nazi bombs. Stupid women and children can't be helped. LOL Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Damned if you and damned if don't-situation for the USA as if they intervene that is another invasion but if they don't then they will be accused of overlooking a humanitarian catastrophe they may have been able to prevent. Not a big deal historically.....Canada and the UN watched 800,000 Rwandans die for lack of an intervention. General Dallaire wrote a book about it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 In brief, it went something like this: The US prevented the UN from acting to stop the genocide in Rwanda. Gen. D'allaire wrote a book about it. http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/index.html Damn facts always get in the way! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 In brief, it went something like this: The US prevented the UN from acting to stop the genocide in Rwanda. Gen. D'allaire wrote a book about it. Canada didn't have enough APC's or the means to airlift them to Rwanda anyway. Canada preferred to spend it's money on "free" health care. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 Canada didn't have enough APC's or the means to airlift them to Rwanda anyway. Canada preferred to spend it's money on "free" health care. I'm truly embarrassed for you now. However, if given a choice of who's got their shit together on this forum, I wouldn't count you out as being right up there. It's just that you shouldn't show your ignorance through defeatist comments such as that. We'll work on it! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) There is no embarrassment...Chretien and Dallaire wrote checks with their mouths that Canada couldn't cash....unilaterally or with UN support. Clinton said no...be a human rights hero on your own dime. Same deal here...... Edited June 23, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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