Someday reason will prevail over organized religion

[nwontariohunter]

How long before the delusional religious types become a footnote in history?

[bush_cheney2004]

At least 10,000 years, as the "religious types" dominate all of human history.

[nwontariohunter]

Well of course man being afraid of death and looking for answers has created all sorts of myths and legends to help answer the questions they had about their universe but since science is now answering many of the questions they have the trend towards common sense and atheism is rapidly growing worldwide so no, 10,000 years is a ridiculous guess. Suppose you are a fundamentalist?

[eyeball]

In addition to our religious delusions, don't forget our economic delusions. They could set us back on our asses even longer than 10000 years.

I mean, apparently even very well educated people believe the natural environment and ecosystems of our planet are completely external to our economy. If you ask me that's just as divorced from reality as religion's, maybe even more so.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well of course man being afraid of death and looking for answers has created all sorts of myths and legends to help answer the questions they had about their universe but since science is now answering many of the questions they have the trend towards common sense and atheism is rapidly growing worldwide so no, 10,000 years is a ridiculous guess. Suppose you are a fundamentalist?

No, I am a pagan. Atheism is just another religion, not the absence of religion.

[guyser]

Atheism is just another religion, not the absence of religion.

Oh my.

[BC_chick]

How long before the delusional religious types become a footnote in history?

My personal opinion: religion will never go away (entirely) unless we become omniscient. Abrahamic and Eastern religions are just the modern counterparts of a system of belief that has existed within us for 25,000 years. They'll just be replaced with something else unless knowledge can unequivocally answer the metaphysical questions that have persisted since we gained consciousness.

Call me a cynic, but that's what I think.

[jacee]

Religion isn't the problem. Organized church corporations that seek only to sustain their own power and existence by subjugating people to their will ... that's the problem.

[Shady]

No, I am a pagan. Atheism is just another religion, not the absence of religion.

Good point. And nowadays, atheists feel the need to prosthelytize as well. For whatever reason. Hence the giant ads taken out in Times Square in New York suggesting people take Jesus out of Christmas. I'm baffled as to why these atheists feel the need to do such things. I liked old-school athiests from back in the day. That believed what they wanted to believe, and were ok with others believing whatever they wanted to believe.

[GostHacked]

Good point. And nowadays, atheists feel the need to prosthelytize as well. For whatever reason. Hence the giant ads taken out in Times Square in New York suggesting people take Jesus out of Christmas. I'm baffled as to why these atheists feel the need to do such things. I liked old-school athiests from back in the day. That believed what they wanted to believe, and were ok with others believing whatever they wanted to believe.

Then you are baffled by the reason all other religions put their ads on buses. The few always seem to try and 'represent' the rest of the group.

I prefer the old-school religions where they don't shove their agenda down your throat ..

[Guest]

In addition to our religious delusions, don't forget our economic delusions. They could set us back on our asses even longer than 10000 years.

I mean, apparently even very well educated people believe the natural environment and ecosystems of our planet are completely external to our economy. If you ask me that's just as divorced from reality as religion's, maybe even more so.

They don't believe that. They just realise that we are here, and there is no way we can be here and not affect the natural environment and ecosystems of our planet. It can't be done.

The idea that we can go from zero to 7 billion people and still have Dodos and Rainforests and manageable atmospheric levels of greenhouse gases is more divorced from reality than many religions.

[Guest]

Religion isn't the problem. Organized church corporations that seek only to sustain their own power and existence by subjugating people to their will ... that's the problem.

Exactly. It absolutely does not matter one whit what a person's beliefs are, so long as they act upon them themselves and refrain from trying to make others adhere to them.

[Shady]

Then you are baffled by the reason all other religions put their ads on buses. The few always seem to try and 'represent' the rest of the group.I prefer the old-school religions where they don't shove their agenda down your throat ..

Nonsense. Old-school religions used to use violence. Some still do.

[-1=e^ipi]

No, I am a pagan. Atheism is just another religion, not the absence of religion.

If atheism is a religion, then not playing hockey is a sport.

Religion isn't the problem. Organized church corporations that seek only to sustain their own power and existence by subjugating people to their will ... that's the problem.

Or maybe the belief in nonsense fairy tales is problematic to society?

Good point. And nowadays, atheists feel the need to prosthelytize as well. For whatever reason. Hence the giant ads taken out in Times Square in New York suggesting people take Jesus out of Christmas. I'm baffled as to why these atheists feel the need to do such things. I liked old-school athiests from back in the day. That believed what they wanted to believe, and were ok with others believing whatever they wanted to believe.

Some people which to change society for the better and value truth. Some people also concerned when policy decisions are made by mentally deluded people that believe in childish fairy tales.

Maybe a better question is why some theists get so uptight when atheists become more vocal about their beliefs or start to speak the truth? Perhaps these theists know deep down that their beliefs are nonsense fairy tales that are detrimental to society, but they do not wish to reject them due to a combination of fear of mortality as well as a strong emotional attachment to religion due to family members being religious.

[jacee]

If atheism is a religion, then not playing hockey is a sport.

Ah but not believing in hockey is a sin!

[bush_cheney2004]

If atheism is a religion, then not playing hockey is a sport.

Atheism is technically a non-belief in a deity or deities, not necessarily a rejection of all things "religion". Many belief systems (religions) do not require deities.

[-1=e^ipi]

Atheism is technically a non-belief in a deity or deities, not necessarily a rejection of all things "religion". Many belief systems (religions) do not require deities.

True. There are atheist religions and theist religions. You can be an atheist and believe in non-sense such as ghosts, spirits, feng shui, astrology, climate alarmism and homeopathy. But atheism itself is not a religion.

[jbg]

How long before the delusional religious types become a footnote in history?

Which ones do you define as "delusional"? Some religions evolve with the march of science and reason; some retrograde into the Stone Age.

[nwontariohunter]

Which religions evolve with march of science and reason? I know some except science and reason to some extent but then throw all common sense away when they talk of deities, intelligent design and other BS.

[jbg]

Which religions evolve with march of science and reason? I know some except science and reason to some extent but then throw all common sense away when they talk of deities, intelligent design and other BS.

What about the comforting function and structure (link) of religion?

[Toma Kert]

Worshiping one's finite reason or following another is nothing but another form of religion.

Take as an example Hitler or Stalin.

Socialism and fearfull worship of man create nothing but a prevailament of perverted reason united to sin (atheistic religion) over organized religion.

So if God has organized religion which is the subordination to the law (10 Commandements) and Thou shalt not kill. A self worshiping man creates pride united to other sins to create a worship to many gods: state, power, slavery to appetites, lust, avarice, human opinion.... etc.

Worhip of man made philosophies and achivements creates nothing but death.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Toma Kert

[-1=e^ipi]

Socialism and fearfull worship of man create nothing but a prevailament of perverted reason united to sin (atheistic religion)

Lol, wat? What does this even mean? Could you elaborate?

So if God has organized religion which is the subordination to the law (10 Commandements) and Thou shalt not kill.

Never-mind the verses in the bible that command people to kill... (see video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8roX4Y85E_4

A self worshiping man creates pride united to other sins to create a worship to many gods: state, power, slavery to appetites, lust, avarice, human opinion.... etc.

Worhip of man made philosophies and achivements creates nothing but death.

In a discussion/debate it is usually a good idea to back up your claims with evidence/reasoning.

[nwontariohunter]

I don't even know what to say to that. It is just wrong on so many levels. Live your delusional life. Religion does not own morality and your reference to Stalin and Hitler is the typical response from the religious playbook.

[jbg]

I don't even know what to say to that. It is just wrong on so many levels. Live your delusional life. Religion does not own morality and your reference to Stalin and Hitler is the typical response from the religious playbook.

That poster is relatively new. His views seem interesting, his style a bit disorganized. I would give him or her the benefit of the doubt.

[WWWTT]

At least 10,000 years, as the "religious types" dominate all of human history.

LOL!

According to the bible!

WWWTT