Confederate Flag aka Rebel Flag aka Flag of St. Andrews

[Shady]

Hey MODS, this is what a troll post looks like. Knowing the poster's history one would understand that.

Prior history is irrelevant to whether or not somebody is breaking forum rules.

[Shady]

Nobody. But then it's easier to knock over strawmen than people's actually arguments.

It's effectively banning it when you relegate the flag to your interpretations. It becomes unusable.

[Shady]

It won't be long before this thread is locked, I suspect. I guess that's the new strategy when you're losing arguments. Derail the thread until Charles closes it.

The only one derailing the thread is the resident name caller, who thinks he is above the rules the rest of us are asked to follow.

[BubberMiley]

It's effectively banning it when you relegate the flag to your interpretations. It becomes unusable.

Complete nonsense.

[Black Dog]

It's effectively banning it when you relegate the flag to your interpretations.

What does that even mean?

It becomes unusable.

And?

Most overt expressions of racism that were once commonplace are now seldom heard because of social convention and not government intervention.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Black Dog

[Black Dog]

You are still in violation of forum rules which prohibits calling other members names. Please try to stay on topic.

If you do not understand, please ask the mods for forum rules clarification.

Calling someone who is trolling a troll is not an insult. It's a classification.

[bush_cheney2004]

The only one derailing the thread is the resident name caller, who thinks he is above the rules the rest of us are asked to follow.

Agreed....name calling seems to be the only recourse when faced with views and opinions that do not match their own. But there is no ambiguity about forum rules when it comes to such personal attacks. The Confederate Flag and other topics are being lost in this unnecessary noise.

[Black Dog]

Agreed....name calling seems to be the only recourse when faced with views and opinions that do not match their own.

Trolling trolling trolling, keep them trolls trolling.

But there is no ambiguity about forum rules when it comes to such personal attacks. The Confederate Flag and other topics are being lost in this unnecessary noise.

I've got far more on-topic posts in this thread than you do.

[bush_cheney2004]

As mentioned earlier by another member, Confederate Flag symbolism had/has widespread exposure and support in popular American media. The "General Lee" would not be authentic without the rooftop flag :

Edited December 5, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Black Dog]

As mentioned earlier by another member, Confederate Flag symbolism had/has widespread exposure and support in popular American media. The "General Lee" would not be authentic without the rooftop flag :

And people use to say "nigger" in casual conversation too.

[bush_cheney2004]

And people use to say "nigger" in casual conversation too.

People still do.....how does this relate to the current topic of "Confederate Flag" displays?

[Black Dog]

People still do.....how does this relate to the current topic of "Confederate Flag" displays?

Fewer people than in the past (and likely the same kind of people who think displaying the confederate flag is cool). How does it relate? It's pretty obvious: social mores change over time: things that were acceptable in days gone by are no longer acceptable today. So displaying the confederate flag in the past =/= displaying the confederate flag today. This is understood by many, even the folks at NASCAR who pulled the General Lee from an event last year).

But, then I expect you feel the fact that its generally frowned upon to use racial slurs is simply evidence of political correctness run amuck.

[Shady]

Fewer people than in the past

Not really. It's more prevalent in our culture than ever before. In movies, tv and especially music. People use it as a term of endearment now. What's up my nigga?!

[bush_cheney2004]

But, then I expect you feel the fact that its generally frowned upon to use racial slurs is simply evidence of political correctness run amuck.

No, I just happen to be more culturally diverse and understand when and how the politically incorrect "N-word" is commonly used by people in popular media and culture. It's no secret that such a slur is commonly used to actually rob it of any power by some people, while weaponizing the word when desired (i.e. "race card").

The General Lee remains popular in media complete with its "Confederate Flag" being part of a more recent (2005) full length film, grossing over $100 million.

[bush_cheney2004]

Not really. It's more prevalent in our culture than ever before. In movies, tv and especially music. People use it as a term of endearment now. What's up my nigga?!

Of course....efforts to drink from the politically correct fountain at all times leaves some to overlook the obvious.

[Black Dog]

Not really. It's more prevalent in our culture than ever before. In movies, tv and especially music. People use it as a term of endearment now. What's up my nigga?!

Yeah, obviously not the context i was talking about.

[Black Dog]

No, I just happen to be more culturally diverse and understand when and how the politically incorrect "N-word" is commonly used by people in popular media and culture. It's no secret that such a slur is commonly used to actually rob it of any power by some people, while weaponizing the word when desired (i.e. "race card").

See the reply I gave to Shady.

The General Lee remains popular in media complete with its "Confederate Flag" being part of a more recent (2005) full length film, grossing over $100 million.

And this proves the flag isn't racist how?

[Wilber]

The "General Lee" is an icon among MOPAR enthusiasts world wide and it really has nothing to do with what the flag may have stood for. Around 300 were built for the show and it is probably the most cloned version of the 69 Charger out there. There are probably more clones in existence than originals built.

[bush_cheney2004]

....And this proves the flag isn't racist how?

Lot's of things are "racist" depending on one's point of view, but in the case of the "Confederate Flag", mainstream media producers actually wrote the controversy into the plot for the General Lee, presenting several points of view. Most people are intelligent enough to engage the issue at that level, with complete historical and contemporary context. Others just resort to name calling.

[Black Dog]

Lot's of things are "racist" depending on one's point of view, but in the case of the "Confederate Flag", mainstream media producers actually wrote the controversy into the plot for the General Lee, presenting several points of view.

Which is kind of the point here. But here's the thing: if someone takes offense at something with obviously offensive connotations (like a rebel flag or a fan photo of a Nazi dream boat), it's not a failing on their part if they don't see that no offense was intended by its use. This is a point that kimmy made earlier in theis thread. 12 pages later, I see it still hasn't sunk in.

Most people are intelligent enough to engage the issue at that level, with complete historical and contemporary context.

And I keep hoping one of them will show up in this thread to talk to me.

Sadly I just get trolls.

[cybercoma]

Not really. It's more prevalent in our culture than ever before. In movies, tv and especially music. People use it as a term of endearment now. What's up my nigga?!

You go say that to a black person and let me know how many teeth you have left.

[DogOnPorch]

You go say that to a black person and let me know how many teeth you have left.

[GostHacked]

America has an obsession with this kind of stuff. Remember Prince William got crap for his Nazi uniform. So many Hitler and Nazi movies. Every mass murderer in the USA has their own hit movie/documentary.

It's in the USA's culture. Long standing tradition of glorifying icons of repression.

I am sure if I went around town in an SS uniform carrying the Nazi flag it would be no big deal right?

I liked Dukes of Hazard as a kid. I had no idea what the flag meant. Now that I know, I question the use in the series and movie. The Dukes is a play on the title of Duke, possibly a slave owner! The symbolism of the south rising again (Dukes always combating the police) Flaunting rules and regulations, breaking people out of jail. Again glorifying idiots that break the rules all the time. Glorifying criminals. Why do you think bad guys are all the rage in the USA, from Vader to Hannibal, from Gacey to Dalmer.

[Jimmy Wilson]

Depending on the person involved,he's got a point...

[Jimmy Wilson]

I like '69 Chargers...

I prefer a '69 1/2 Charger Daytona with a 426 Hemi...