The Truth About Obamacare

[waldo]

Which would have nothing to do with the donation rate. You do realize that right?

please cite the basis for your continued claim that mortality rates do not affect donation rates.

[Shady]

please cite the basis for your continued claim that mortality rates do not affect donation rates.

This thread isn't about mortality rates, it's about legislation and government incompetence. Start a new thread if you wanna talk about other stuff.

So CNN says that you actually CANNOT sign up for health insurance coverage using the 800 number. Even though Obama and other administration heanchmen have claimed otherwise.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/health/obamacare-phone/index.html

Also, some tech experts have insisted that the software will have to be started from scratch again. How soon before this poorly thought out plan caves in on itself?

Edited October 26, 2013 by Shady

[waldo]

This thread isn't about mortality rates, it's about legislation and government incompetence. Start a new thread if you wanna talk about other stuff.

hey now... lil' buddy, it wasn't I that started that thread drift. I don't recall you speaking to much (any???) of the actual ACA... well, other than you denying it's Romneycare foundations. You simply prowl your 'breitbart like' sites for anything/everything you can find that disparages... a website! Why not take a few cycles to show your blustering ShadyProwess in critiquing the actual plan.

[cybercoma]

It's good to see all of you, except Argus, fall for the donor red herring.

Edited October 26, 2013 by cybercoma

[Shady]

hey now... lil' buddy, it wasn't I that started that thread drift. I don't recall you speaking to much (any???) of the actual ACA... well, other than you denying it's Romneycare foundations. You simply prowl your 'breitbart like' sites for anything/everything you can find that disparages... a website! Why not take a few cycles to show your blustering ShadyProwess in critiquing the actual plan.

There's little resemblence between Romneycare and Obamacare. Stop trying to blame other people for Obama's disaster. Oh, and is CNN a so-called Breitbart site? I was unaware.

[waldo]

It's good to see all of you, except Argus, fall for the donor red herring.

some of us can't let a good deflection/distraction go unanswered!

[Shady]

That's nice, but completely irrelevent.

I said your health care system is heartless, not individual Americans.

And our system is brainless. Hopefully each will correct for its inadequacies.

[eyeball]

To be truthful though this has always been more about the semblance between Obamacare and the Affordable Healthcare Act.

[cybercoma]

And our system is brainless. Hopefully each will correct for its inadequacies.

What is Argus's system and why is it brainless?

[waldo]

There's little resemblence between Romneycare and Obamacare.

going up against provided examples of the 'sameness', your unsubstantiated opinion is noted.

Stop trying to blame other people for Obama's disaster.

websites get fixed... is there a reason you won't address the actual plan... that you won't critique the actual plan?

Oh, and is CNN a so-called Breitbart site? I was unaware.

the reference was website; but ya, you've never quoted from/linked to breitbart, daily caller, redstate, national review, fox, drudge, WND, weekly standard, etc., etc., etc.!

[bush_cheney2004]

This thread isn't about mortality rates, it's about legislation and government incompetence. Start a new thread if you wanna talk about other stuff.

True, and the larger point is that Obamacare (ACA) may have an impact on organ and tissue donations (Canada's system actually depends on imported blood and tissue from the U.S.). Demand in the U.S. could increase as more people are added to the ranks of the insured.

[Wilber]

Which would have nothing to do with the donation rate. You do realize that right?

Addressed that several times.

[Shady]

Obamacare does things we wouldn't and don't do in Canada. Our system allows for provinces to make our health care decisions. Each province decides what type of coverage to provide. For instance, some provinces cover prescription drugs. Some don't. Some cover eye examinations, some don't. Etc, etc. Obamacare uses a one size fits all approach instead of allowing state control their health insurance decisions.

As for the Romneycare/Obamacare comparison, they're actually quite fundamentally different. Obamacare is built on mandates and uniformity. Romneycare was legislated to be much more flexible. Romneycare also only targeted people without insurance. Obamacare targets everyone, those with health insurance and without. So he essentially lied when he said, "if you like your plan, you can keep it." Hundreds of thousands of people are finding out that that's simply not true.

[Guest American Woman]

Addressed that several times.

Yet you knowingly keep making irrelevant comments about the rate of deaths, so I can't help but wonder why if you understand that it has nothing to do with donation rates.

That's nice, but completely irrelevent.

I said your health care system is heartless, not individual Americans.

So you weren't talking about individual Americans when you made this comment?

It's funny how so many in the US pump their chests and spout bible phrases at the drop of a hat, but have so very little interest in basic Christian concepts about helping their fellow man.

[bush_cheney2004]

... So he essentially lied when he said, "if you like your plan, you can keep it." Hundreds of thousands of people are finding out that that's simply not true.

Yes, and therein lies the huge political risk. If Americans, the large majority of which who were quite satisfied with their quality of care, see impacts to that level of care as a direct or indirect result of the ACA, then they will express themselves at the polls. If Canadian-style "wait time" disease (as seen in Mass) spreads further in the U.S., they will not be as complacent about it as Canadians.

Edited October 26, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

Obamacare does things we wouldn't and don't do in Canada. Our system allows for provinces to make our health care decisions. Each province decides what type of coverage to provide. For instance, some provinces cover prescription drugs. Some don't. Some cover eye examinations, some don't. Etc, etc. Obamacare uses a one size fits all approach instead of allowing state control their health insurance decisions.

The cost of Obamacare varies wildly by state

I don't see these variations as a good thing.

Edited October 26, 2013 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

The cost of Obamacare varies wildly by state

I don't see these variations as a good thing.

Nope....not good as it distorts regional and local markets for a national "affordable care" agenda. There will be provider flight from insurance plans that have low or very low reimbursement rates.

Edited October 26, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Bryan]

Were Canadians asked if they'd support long wait lists and GP gatekeeping for "lower premiums" ?

I think you mean NO premiums (no co-pay or deductibles either). Most Canadians have never been faced with either the wait lists or any kind of "gatekeeping" -- my family and I never have. We get what we need when we need it, always. The rare time you might run up against a wait list is a more than welcome tradeoff for never having to worry about if you're covered or how you're going to pay for it.

[eyeball]

Yes, and therein lies the huge political risk. If Americans, the large majority of which who were quite satisfied with their quality of care, see impacts to that level of care as a direct or indirect result of the ACA, then they will express themselves at the polls. If Canadian-style "wait time" disease (as seen in Mass) spreads further in the U.S., they will not be as complacent about it as Canadians.

I had to wait about 3 minutes when I was admitted to hospital this summer. 2 weeks in a hospital bed, a team of three doctors, a raft of specialists and a couple of prescriptions cost me all of $50 out of pocket and my benefits from work cover about 80% of that so...I guess I'm just too complacent.

My only complaint was the food but thankfully there was a Chinese restaurant and pizza joint just around the corner that delivered.

Oh I forgot the selection of reading material also sucked the big one - Chatelaine, Readers Digest, National Enquirer...maybe this says something about the type of people who need hospitalization in Canada.

Edited October 26, 2013 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

I think you mean NO premiums (no co-pay or deductibles either). Most Canadians have never been faced with either the wait lists or any kind of "gatekeeping" -- my family and I never have. We get what we need when we need it, always. The rare time you might run up against a wait list is a more than welcome tradeoff for never having to worry about if you're covered or how you're going to pay for it.

That's your choice....many Canadians and a lot of Americans would choose not to wait in support of patriotic wait lists for common medical procedures.

Some can't even find a GP to keep the gate closed for them.

Edited October 26, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

I had two GP's open the gate for me.

[Guest American Woman]

I had to wait about 3 minutes when I was admitted to hospital this summer. 2 weeks in a hospital bed, a team of three doctors, a raft of specialists and a couple of prescriptions cost me all of $50 out of pocket and my benefits from work cover about 80% of that so...I guess I'm just too complacent.

I think you mean NO premiums (no co-pay or deductibles either). Most Canadians have never been faced with either the wait lists or any kind of "gatekeeping" -- my family and I never have.

I think I'll paraphrase this quote from Argus in response to those comments:

I think the problem is some Americans are so utterly ignorant about life in their country for those who don't have their money and security and so utterly lacking in imagination they seem to think everyone has it as good as them.

So, I think the problem is some Canadians are so utterly ignorant about life in their own country for those who haven't fared as well as they have and so utterly lacking in imagination they seem to think everyone has it as good as them.

Your personal experiences don't speak for the whole and don't erase the reality of wait times or the burden of medical costs that some Canadians face/have faced.

[bush_cheney2004]

I had two GP's open the gate for me.

Sorry you had to wait that long.....sad.

[Shady]

My personal experience is this. I made an appointment to see a doctor that deals specially with allergies. I made the appointment in July. I get to see him or her in January. Happy New Year!!!

[eyeball]

I do not know a single person in my family, circle of friends or little town in the boonies I've lived in for 45 years who's experience with the medical system has differed from mine. I've not heard of a single case of bankruptcy either.