The Truth About Obamacare

[Guest American Woman]

No not me, but it does beg the question, do you Yanks have the option to check into hard-assed right-wing hospitals so as to avoid the embarrassment of being forced into a socialist facilities?

What's a "hard assed right-wing hospital?" And what are "socialist facilities?" And what in God's name are you asking/trying to get at?

The fact remains that in spite of the personal experiences of your family and every single person you know, the problems I've referred to do exist.

[Wilber]

Wow. That's the only difference, eh? So Canadians aren't all entitled to/guaranteed the same access to health care. It's dependent on whether or not the doctor likes them. Good to know!

If you walk into any business and make an absolute ass of yourself, you stand a chance of being told to go somewhere else. But keep grabbing on to any thing you can to avoid dealing with real issues like pre existing conditions.

[bush_cheney2004]

Bite me.

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Edited October 26, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

The fact remains that in spite of the personal experiences of your family and every single person you know, the problems I've referred to do exist.

If they existed in the quantity you're suggesting I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about it directly from someone I know by now.

Not a one however has even come close to suggesting that's the case. Not one single person.

Edited October 26, 2013 by eyeball

[Guest American Woman]

If you walk into any business and make an absolute ass of yourself, you stand a chance of being told to go somewhere else. But keep grabbing on to any thing you can to avoid dealing with real issues like pre existing conditions.

So now health care is just another business, not something that all Canadians are guaranteed an equal right to?

[Guest American Woman]

If they existed in the quantity you're suggesting I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about it directly from someone I know by now.

You seriously believe this?

[Wilber]

So now health care is just another business, not something that all Canadians are guaranteed an equal right to?

It is a business for a private practitioner and they shouldn't have to put up with abuse any more than anyone else. Of course they would have the option of referring you to a shrink.

[Guest American Woman]

It is a business for a private practitioner and they shouldn't have to put up with abuse any more than anyone else. Of course they would have the option of referring you to a shrink.

So not liking a patient's attitude is akin to "putting up with abuse?" Again. Good to know. Canadians aren't all guaranteed/entitled to the same level of health care in spite of all the claims. If the doctor doesn't like you, you go to the end of the line.

[Mighty AC]

Of course...this isn't the actual case. Why waste time with posts like this?

[Shady]

Well now you do know of one.

He suggested the Chinese restaurant.

Well that's not the norm. Real doctors, that aren't in the middle of butt fark nowhere barely have time for lunch. They see patient after patient after patient. That's what it's like in the real world.

[Wilber]

So not liking a patient's attitude is akin to "putting up with abuse?" Again. Good to know. Canadians aren't all guaranteed/entitled to the same level of health care in spite of all the claims. If the doctor doesn't like you, you go to the end of the line.

If you completely ignore a doctors advice, you are wasting his time and taxpayer's dollars, both of which could be much better spent on someone else who is interested in improving their health.

One person makes a comment that a doctor asked a patient to go elsewhere because he didn't like their attitude and in AW speak, Canadian healthcare is dependent on whether their doctor likes them. Give the trivia a rest and discuss something important.

[bush_cheney2004]

If you completely ignore a doctors advice, you are wasting his time and taxpayer's dollars, both of which could be much better spent on someone else who is interested in improving their health.

One person makes a comment that a doctor asked a patient to go elsewhere because he didn't like their attitude....

Still, and with respect to a single payer system, the patient-doctor relationship may be differently influenced when both doctor and patient know that there are fewer choices and options when the GP is the gatekeeper to "free" health care.

[Guest American Woman]

If you completely ignore a doctors advice, you are wasting his time and taxpayer's dollars, both of which could be much better spent on someone else who is interested in improving their health.

How does one completely ignore a doctor's advice if one is put on a wait list to see the doctor because said doctor doesn't like the patient's attitude?

One person makes a comment that a doctor asked a patient to go elsewhere because he didn't like their attitude and in AW speak, Canadian healthcare is dependent on whether their doctor likes them. Give the trivia a rest and discuss something important.

One person made a comment that a doctor put a patient on a wait list because the doctor didn't like his attitude and I responded to it. So did you. More than once.

If it's true that doctors can put a patient on a wait list in Canada because of their attitude, that is something I consider important to discuss - and I will discuss it, same as you and eyeball did.

[Guest American Woman]

Still, and with respect to a single payer system, the patient-doctor relationship may be differently influenced when both doctor and patient know that there are fewer choices and options when the GP is the gatekeeper to "free" health care.

If a doctor truly can - and does - issue appointments in the order of like or dislike of the patient's attitude, it goes against everything Canadian health care is supposed to stand for.

[cybercoma]

My personal experience is this. I made an appointment to see a doctor that deals specially with allergies. I made the appointment in July. I get to see him or her in January. Happy New Year!!!

Let's hope you don't die in the meantime from anaphylaxis. I can't believe specialists in Canada are putting off emergencies like yours. If only we had a private system, so the poor could get out of the way and you could buy your own healthcare.

[cybercoma]

Of course...this isn't the actual case. Why waste time with posts like this?

Because the confirmation bias is so strong that even a joke about Shady's attitude is taken as evidence of being correct?

[Wilber]

If a doctor truly can - and does - issue appointments in the order of like or dislike of the patient's attitude, it goes against everything Canadian health care is supposed to stand for.

My doctor shares a clinic with several other doctors. Appointments are made for all of them by a receptionist and that's my last comment on this lame assed tangent.

[waldo]

Because the confirmation bias is so strong that even a joke about Shady's attitude is taken as evidence of being correct?

truly pathetic. She knew it was a joke... but as is her way... she proceeded to treat it as a delineating criteria point on healthcare provision. Of course, as was pointed out, it's simply a deflecting distraction to avoid addressing how pre-existing conditions are treated by U.S. insurance companies (pre ACA).

[cybercoma]

You know, being the US Politics forum, perhaps we should be talking about US policies instead of constantly getting derailed by trolls that want to talk about Canadian politics in the US politics forum.

[bush_cheney2004]

You know, being the US Politics forum, perhaps we should be talking about US policies instead of constantly getting derailed by trolls that want to talk about Canadian politics in the US politics forum.

Really? Ever wonder why the U.S. is "talked about" so much in the Federal Politics and other forums? This topic actually is impacted by a Canadian IT contractor (CGI Federal), now demoted for bungling the ACA portal. So let it rain Canada up in here.

Edited October 27, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

Really? Ever wonder why the U.S. is "talked about" so much in the Federal Politics and other forums? This topic actually is impacted by a Canadian IT contractor (CGI Federal), now demoted for bungling the ACA portal. So let it rain Canada up in here.

Evidently it's ok for Canadians to discuss the U.S. in the Federal Politics and other forums, and it's ok for Canadians to bring up Canada in U.S. politics - but it's not ok for Americans to respond to the posts about Canada.That makes them trolls.

[Guest Derek L]

Let's hope you don't die in the meantime from anaphylaxis. I can't believe specialists in Canada are putting off emergencies like yours. If only we had a private system, so the poor could get out of the way and you could buy your own healthcare.

Anecdotal story, but my wife just had a day surgery on her wrist last week at a private clinic here in Vancouver…….I’m certain that if she had it done at one of the regular hospitals here in the Lower Mainland the quality would have been just the same, but likely not until Spring-Summer of next year (as we were told by our GP and a specialist)……..

I’ve no real issues with our Healthcare system as is (other then no basic coverage for dental and vision for low income folks), but I fully expect the growth in private healthcare facilities as the baby boomers start getting even older…….At the end of the day, any time a family member or friend has needed “Emergency Care” it’s been received in a timely manner, but “elective” and “non-essential” (and as mentioned, seeing some specialists) care wait times are lacking and could benefit by an increased presence of user pay healthcare.

[cybercoma]

Doctors and clinics are almost all private. They only accept payment from the provincial insurers though. They can choose to only take money from patients though. They won't be paid by the provinces then because doctors were double dipping in the past

[eyeball]

You seriously believe this?

Seeing is believing...best evidence there is.

[eyeball]

What's a "hard assed right-wing hospital?"

A place that self-respecting Americans who wouldn't be caught dead in a Obamacare facility can go.

And what are "socialist facilities?"

Not the places that deliver Affordable Healthcare according to some Americans in the know.

And what in God's name are you asking/trying to get at?

Only an atheist would understand I'm afraid.