On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 The truth about Obamacare is that it has been voted for by both sides of the aisle in congress, scrutinized by the supreme court, and voted on by the American people. (Which is why Obama still resides in the White House) So the Tea Party crackpots don't have much of a leg to stand on. Well except I did hear an interview recently with one of their spokespeople who said "We are not a democracy, we are a republic" DUH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 The truth about Obamacare is that it has been voted for by both sides of the aisle in congress, scrutinized by the supreme court, and voted on by the American people. (Which is why Obama still resides in the White House) So the Tea Party crackpots don't have much of a leg to stand on. Well except I did hear an interview recently with one of their spokespeople who said "We are not a democracy, we are a republic" DUH The truth is ALSO that the democrats and republicans in congress completely rejected everything Obama wanted and campaigned on. This isnt "ObamaCare" its "CongressCare". Individual mandate, no public non-profit option, endless corporate welfare for private insurers etc. And now suddently republicans dont like their own bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 The truth is ALSO that the democrats and republicans in congress completely rejected everything Obama wanted and campaigned on. This isnt "ObamaCare" its "CongressCare". Individual mandate, no public non-profit option, endless corporate welfare for private insurers etc. And now suddently republicans dont like their own bill... Not one Republican voted for it. Not one Republican wrote even one word of the bill, yet it's now a Republican bill? LOL!!!!!!! It was passed by only Democrats voting for it, and signed into law by a Democrat president. Facts are stubborn things sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) And this causes you to be proud for some reason? You're actually bragging because you spend far more than us for similar results? Of course.....what kind of maroon actually wants to wait months for a simple MRI ? What are Canadians waiting for ? This question has never been answered. Edited October 23, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Not one Republican voted for it. Not one Republican wrote even one word of the bill, yet it's now a Republican bill? LOL!!!!!!! It was passed by only Democrats voting for it, and signed into law by a Democrat president. Facts are stubborn things sometimes. Oh boy. Speaking of facts, you better check yours. I stand by my previous post. Go check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 That being said, ours is still leagues ahead of yours in terms of efficiency and effectiveness. No, they don't get anything more for their extra money. You simply ration it by denying medical services to tens of millions of people. And even by cutting off all those people, and paying twice as much, you still don't get better overall care. That is simply pathetic in terms of cost efficiency. No real conservative would support such a system. speaking of... a recent Bloomberg analysis that positions the United States near the bottom of healthcare efficiency... following up on the earlier study/analysis within the 'U.S. Dead Last in Healthcare' MLW thread that spoke to significant gaps/failings in the actual delivery of healthcare to U.S. citizens: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 speaking of... a recent Bloomberg analysis that positions the United States near the bottom of healthcare efficiency... following up on the earlier study/analysis within the 'U.S. Dead Last in Healthcare' MLW thread that spoke to significant gaps/failings in the actual delivery of healthcare to U.S. citizens: Yep, the system could be much more efficient. Unfortunately the unaffordable care act has the opposite effect. Just see the website, if its up yet! Lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Yep, the system could be much more efficient. Unfortunately the unaffordable care act has the opposite effect. Just see the website, if its up yet! Lol! good on ya for acknowledging the pre-ACA inefficient U.S. healthcare system. Good to know that once they get the software fixed... you'll be all for the ACA (just so long as it's not referred to as Obamacare, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 good on ya for acknowledging the pre-ACA inefficient U.S. healthcare system. Good to know that once they get the software fixed... you'll be all for the ACA (just so long as it's not referred to as Obamacare, right?) Nope. The legislation is crap, along with the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Nope. The legislation is crap, along with the software. speaking of legislation, I see you were called out a few posts back concerning Republican votes. You know that pertains to the initial house bill that went over to the Senate, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 speaking of legislation, I see you were called out a few posts back concerning Republican votes. You know that pertains to the initial house bill that went over to the Senate, right? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 It's funny to watch people now try to push the creation of the unaffordable care act on Republicans. You know it must be working swell when that happens! Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 It's funny to watch people now try to push the creation of the unaffordable care act on Republicans. You know it must be working swell when that happens! Lol. is it as funny as you, earlier, adamantly stating no Republicans voted for it? You seem to want to play fast & loose with the Congressional movement of bills between the House-Senate. The initial House bill that included health provisions was the legislation initiation point. How did that vote go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 is it as funny as you, earlier, adamantly stating no Republicans voted for it? You seem to want to play fast & loose with the Congressional movement of bills between the House-Senate. The initial House bill that included health provisions was the legislation initiation point. How did that vote go? No Republican voted for the reconciled train wreck known as the unaffordable care act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 No Republican voted for the reconciled train wreck known as the unaffordable care act. "reconciled"... nice! Again, the initial House precursor bill formed the basis/foundation for eventual legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 "reconciled"... nice! Again, the initial House precursor bill formed the basis/foundation for eventual legislation. The bill passed by Nancy Pelosi? Sure. Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 It doesn't help to blame Canada's CGI Federal...'cause they will just blame somebody else: CGI Federal Inc., the lead contractor on the new U.S. health insurance website and a subsidiary of Montreal-based CGI Inc., is pinning some of the blame for the rocky launch of the site on a subcontractor. The problem-plagued launch on Oct. 1 of the new Obamacare website — healthcare.gov — has left many people unable to sign up. In written testimony posted on the website of the U.S. House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee, CGI Federal senior vice-president Cheryl Campbell said the first set of issues for users dealt with the "enterprise identity management (or EIDM) function provided by another contractor, which allows users to create secure accounts." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal-s-cgi-faces-scrutiny-over-troubled-obamacare-site-1.2187662 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) New and improved Obamacare 2.0 (ACA) Installation kit: WASHINGTON—Responding to widespread criticism regarding its health care website, the federal government today unveiled its new, improved Obamacare program, which allows Americans to purchase health insurance after installing a software bundle contained on 35 floppy disks. “I have heard the complaints about the existing website, and I can assure you that with this revised system, finding the right health care option for you and your family is as easy as loading 35 floppy disks sequentially into your disk drive and following the onscreen prompts,” President Obama told reporters this morning.... http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-improved-obamacare-program-released-on-35-flop,34294/ Edited October 24, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 No Republican voted for the reconciled train wreck known as the unaffordable care act. Apparently the American people voted for it when they re-elected Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Apparently the American people voted for it when they re-elected Obama.The american people also gave control of congress to GOP so it is not reasonable to construe Obama's win as a blanket endorsement for any of his policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 The american people also gave control of congress to GOP so it is not reasonable to construe Obama's win as a blanket endorsement for any of his policies. if you really want to play that shady game, then you'll need to get your timing down... the Senate and House passage of the respective iterations of OCare bills were passed by Democrat majorities... and according to your logic... it is reasonable to construe Obama's win as a blanket endorsement, by the American people, of the Affordable Care Act Obamacare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 New and improved Obamacare 2.0 (ACA) Installation kit: WASHINGTON—Responding to widespread criticism regarding its health care website, the federal government today unveiled its new, improved Obamacare program, which allows Americans to purchase health insurance after installing a software bundle contained on 35 floppy disks. “I have heard the complaints about the existing website, and I can assure you that with this revised system, finding the right health care option for you and your family is as easy as loading 35 floppy disks sequentially into your disk drive and following the onscreen prompts,” President Obama told reporters this morning.... http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-improved-obamacare-program-released-on-35-flop,34294/ Omg!! LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 if you really want to play that shady game, then you'll need to get your timing down... the Senate and House passage of the respective iterations of OCare bills were passed by Democrat majorities... and according to your logic... it is reasonable to construe Obama's win as a blanket endorsement, by the American people, of the Affordable Care Act Obamacare. Yes, and th republican wave in 2010 was a response to the unaffordable care act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Yes, and th republican wave in 2010 was a response to the unaffordable care act. by that shady logic, what will 2014 suggest... about Obamacare? In line with the GOPs stumbling-bumbling U.S. government shutdown and its resulting record low popularity... considering Obamacare was the principal reason behind the GOP U.S. government shutdown. - NBC/WSJ poll: 47% prefer a Democratically-controlled Congress to the 39% who support a Republican-controlled Congress. - Public Policy Polling: polls found 37 Republican incumbents trailing Democrats in 61 districts. considering the government "slimdown" was only punted down the road 4 months, considering we get to see 'round 2' of this shortly, do you think the GOP has any more trix-up-it's-sleeves... to further erode it's plunging popularity? 2014 Shady, what say you... what does your "expertise" in American politics suggest for a 2014 U.S. House? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 by that shady logic, what will 2014 suggest... about Obamacare? In line with the GOPs stumbling-bumbling U.S. government shutdown and its resulting record low popularity... considering Obamacare was the principal reason behind the GOP U.S. government shutdown. - NBC/WSJ poll: 47% prefer a Democratically-controlled Congress to the 39% who support a Republican-controlled Congress. - Public Policy Polling: polls found 37 Republican incumbents trailing Democrats in 61 districts. considering the government "slimdown" was only punted down the road 4 months, considering we get to see 'round 2' of this shortly, do you think the GOP has any more trix-up-it's-sleeves... to further erode it's plunging popularity? 2014 Shady, what say you... what does your "expertise" in American politics suggest for a 2014 U.S. House? There midterm election isn't for another year, so polling is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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