Gay to Straight Program in Arizona Public Schools

[Mighty AC]

This is yet another depressing story form the US south that has me wondering if my dip in the hot tub last night sent me back in time to the 50's.

Beginning November 1st of this year, the state of Arizona is implementing a mandatory school program designed for all children grades K-12 to help homosexual males and women become straight. The controversial conversion therapy will be used in all of Arizona’s 2,325 public school curriculums.
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Arizona Governor Jan Brewer who signed off on the the ‘People Can Change’ program told CNN she is excited about the program. “I think this will be an amazing opportunity for gay children to finally learn who they truly are for once in their lives,” Brewer said. “Can you imagine how much more productive these ‘now-straight’ children will be not always being bullied or wondering why god made them defective? What we have done here today is monumental. I can only hope and pray that other states follow suit.”

http://nationalreport.net/gay-to-straight-program-to-be-used-in-all-arizona-public-school-curriculums-beginning-november-1st/

I have been asked many times why I care what delusional beliefs others hold. Well this is why. This is yet another example of how religion harms innocent bystanders. "Religion poisons everything." - Hitch

[Guest]

It can't be legal? A voluntary program, while reprehensible, might get past the courts, but surely, a mandatory program is illegal?

"We bring the gay demons out of these individuals so they can become who god intended them to be. Our success and track record speaks for itself,”

Exorcism in the public schools?

[Moonlight Graham]

That story is horrific. Imagine being gay in that kind of social environment with such stigma? It wouldn't be so surprising if this was being done in ie: Catholic school boards, but public schools? Seriously?

[The_Squid]

I think it's great.... It's a very unique way to end bullying on young gay kids.

And it's a hoax/satirical report.... http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130822arizona-schools-not-implementing-gay-conversion-therapy.html?nclick_check=1

Edited August 23, 2013 by The_Squid

[Charles Anthony]

In light of the fact that this story is a hoax, the thread has been moved to the Media and Broadcasting sub-section of the forum.

[Shady]

What does one do when a hoax story reinforces one's prejudice? Post it as news! lol

[Guest American Woman]

I read the opening post, knew it couldn't be true, and it took me all of 2 seconds to google it and find out it was satire.

[carepov]

This is yet another depressing story form the US south that has me wondering if my dip in the hot tub last night sent me back in time to the 50's.

http://nationalreport.net/gay-to-straight-program-to-be-used-in-all-arizona-public-school-curriculums-beginning-november-1st/

I have been asked many times why I care what delusional beliefs others hold. Well this is why. This is yet another example of how religion harms innocent bystanders. "Religion poisons everything." - Hitch

Seems that just like religious faith is not a pre-requisite to charity, it is not a pre-requisite to gullibility either.

[Moonlight Graham]

I think it's great.... It's a very unique way to end bullying on young gay kids.

And it's a hoax/satirical report.... http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130822arizona-schools-not-implementing-gay-conversion-therapy.html?nclick_check=1

Thank heavens.

[sharkman]

Mr. Mighty AC, care to post an apology for your unintended smear?

[The_Squid]

LOL "gotcha" is not becoming.

[bleeding heart]

Is he to apologize to the Arizona Governor?

[sharkman]

No, apologize to his fellow forum members for misleading us. I'm not holding my breath, however.

[bleeding heart]

No, apologize to his fellow forum members for misleading us. I'm not holding my breath, however.

I would assume that it was an error of carelessness, not one of intentional misleading.

[Mighty AC]

I think it's great.... It's a very unique way to end bullying on young gay kids.

And it's a hoax/satirical report.... http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130822arizona-schools-not-implementing-gay-conversion-therapy.html?nclick_check=1

Thanks for verifying that this story is a hoax; I apologize for making a careless post. There are two unfortunate aspects to this post. The first is my carelessness and the second is that in the GOP controlled Southern US, a story like this isn't impossible.

[Guest American Woman]

The first is my carelessness and the second is that in the GOP controlled Southern US, a story like this isn't impossible.

Proof? Seems to me that this mindset is what led to your believing this satirical piece as fact in the first place. As I said, I knew better than to take it as fact and it took me two seconds to find out it wasn't true.

In fact, I'm wondering why the thread is still here, with the title suggesting that it's true, in light of other threads that have been deleted and other titles that have been changed.

Edited August 27, 2013 by American Woman

[Shady]

It's just his way of not admitting he was wrong. Apparently in the forum, we can now post prejudicial, hoax stories and use them to reinforce a prejudicial point of view. Pathetic. Can we do that with gays and Muslims as well? Or is it just Christians?

[Bryan]

The only people who would believe this story are people who WANT it to be true for the gotcha factor. The source, National Report, is specifically geared towards that. While very little on their site is satire in the comedic sense, all of it is fake.

[bleeding heart]

It's just his way of not admitting he was wrong.

He did admit he was wrong. Explicitly.

What more do you want?

[Guest American Woman]

He did admit he was wrong. Explicitly.

What more do you want?

Admitting he was wrong without the ludicrous claim that it could be true? Edited August 27, 2013 by American Woman

[bleeding heart]

Admitting he was wrong without the ludicrous "but it could be true" statement?

So?

He clearly admitted that he was mistaken. That was the single point about which people were complaining....now rectified.

His subsequent opinion on potential doesn't for a second undermine his perfectly explicit admission that he made a mistake.

(Incidentally, the number of times posters admit they were demonstrably mistaken is vanishingly rare, so I consider it a definite plus for AC that he "manned up" as the saying goes.)

[Guest American Woman]

So?

He clearly admitted that he was mistaken. That was the single point about which people were complaining....now rectified.

His subsequent opinion on potential doesn't for a second undermine his perfectly explicit admission that he made a mistake.

I say it does; IMO, his subsequent claim, as if fact, backed up by nothing, undermines his admission. Yes I was wrong, but .....

(Incidentally, the number of times posters admit they were demonstrably mistaken is vanishingly rare, so I consider it a definite plus for AC that he "manned up" as the saying goes.)

Good for you. But the way I see it, there was no "manning up" to be had as it was already proven without a doubt that he was wrong, and his ludicrous claim that it 'could be true' undermines any "admission" he made.

[bleeding heart]

I say it does; IMO, his subsequent claim, as if fact, backed up by nothing, undermines his admission. Yes I was wrong, but .....

Good for you. But the way I see it, there was no "manning up" to be had as it was already proven without a doubt that he was wrong, and his ludicrous claim that it 'could be true' undermines any "admission" he made.

No, it doesn't undermine it. You haven't demonstrated the logic of this claim.

That AC thinks the false story could potentially be something that happens--whether he's right or not--does not undermine his plain, clear, unambiguous admission that he was mistaken.

He is under no obligation to say "it could never happen"...and his admission of error does not for a second depend on such a declaration.

[Guest American Woman]

No, it doesn't undermine it. You haven't demonstrated the logic of this claim.

I say it does, and I don't see in the forum rules where your opinion overrides mine. Furthermore, I have demonstrated the logic of this claim. Quite clearly.

That AC thinks the false story could potentially be something that happens--whether he's right or not--does not undermine his plain, clear, unambiguous admission that he was mistaken.

So you've said. I said otherwise. I said IMO an "I was wrong but...." does undermine the admission. Furthermore, as I've already stated, it was already plainly, clearly, unquestionably, factually shown that he was wrong.

He is under no obligation to say "it could never happen"...and his admission of error does not for a second depend on such a declaration.

Good grief. Did I say he was under such an obligation? My criticism is for his ludicrous claim that it could be true, again, with nothing to back it up. Again. It's such a mindset that takes a story like this for true without question in the first place - and that's what, as I see it, he was making excuses for.

So keep repeating yourself, and I'll keep .

[bleeding heart]

I say it does, and I don't see in the forum rules where your opinion overrides mine.

I know. you think there is only one opinion which overrides everyone else's.

Furthermore, I have demonstrated the logic of this claim. Quite clearly.

On the contrary, you've been illogical about it.

So keep repeating yourself, and I'll keep .

And ultimately, that's all you've got.