PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

[scribblet]

I don' quite understand the anti-semitic nickname, but if you really wanted this thread to die, you should just not respond to it and not try to divert discussion to unrelated issues.

Anti semitic - oh wow, talk about imputing thoughts and actions that never existed. Of course you know that all one has to do is accuse someone of racism or bigotry and it stops the discussion. People get wise to that though... but carry on, your MO is showing.

[BubberMiley]

You didn't look up the term Shylock before you used it, did you?

[scribblet]

He was a money lender which I know Trudeau is not, but it's a term generally used these days to mean a 'cheap bas...d'. No other inferences is or was intended, but you know that. It's better to let the unsubstantiated accusations hang.

[BubberMiley]

He was a money lender which I know Trudeau is not, but it's a term generally used these days to mean a 'cheap bas...d'.

It's a term generally not used these days because of its anti-semitic overtones.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-florida-shylock-bill-042709,0,3787502.story

[ReeferMadness]

Ontario, Quebec, the Maritimes and Western Canada have equal representation (24 seats each). Newfoundland was added later and given 6 seats. Do you really not understand the make up of the Senate? It's not that complicated.

OK, you got me there. I did learn this once in Grade 5 but I'd mercifully forgotten.

It may not be very complicated but nor is it very fair or very intelligent. Dividing up the provinces into regions based on proximity (and the population base at the time the Senate was formed) is arbitrary and a recipe for problems.

[waldo]

Aaahhh, sure whatever turns you on, but keep defending Shylock.

referring to the leader of the Liberal party as a "Shylock" is clearly a MLW rules violation. I trust no one will report you.

carry on!

[cybercoma]

OK, you got me there. I did learn this once in Grade 5 but I'd mercifully forgotten.

It may not be very complicated but nor is it very fair or very intelligent. Dividing up the provinces into regions based on proximity (and the population base at the time the Senate was formed) is arbitrary and a recipe for problems.

Maybe it needs to be updated, I'm not speaking to that, but at the time they created the divisions it made sense. In fact, it may have been overly generous to the West at the time.

[ReeferMadness]

Maybe it needs to be updated, I'm not speaking to that, but at the time they created the divisions it made sense. In fact, it may have been overly generous to the West at the time.

Either it needs to be rethought or the senate needs to be abolished. The last thing this country needs is more regional bias. We're already being torn apart by regionalism and provincialism. The HoC constituencies, being based on local geographic zones, already presents a regional aspect. The provinces (especially Quebec but not just Quebec) have become increasingly influential political actors. What's needed is a house that is pan-Canadian in nature, with the ability to build constituencies on the basis of issues and viewpoints, not just on geography.

[cybercoma]

The last thing this country needs is more regional bias.

Out of curiosity, if the regions have equal representation in the Senate, how is that biased?

Wouldn't representation by population in the House be biased towards the more populated areas, since they have more seats?

[ReeferMadness]

Out of curiosity, if the regions have equal representation in the Senate, how is that biased?

Wouldn't representation by population in the House be biased towards the more populated areas, since they have more seats?

Obviously, I wasn't clear. What I meant to say is that the current holders of political power (federal MP's, senators, provincial governments, city governments) are all representing geographic subsections of the country. And the combination of them is tearing the country apart. We need a strong voice for Canada to balance things. And that will certainly not come from the Harperites.

[g_bambino]

Obviously, I wasn't clear. What I meant to say is that the current holders of political power (federal MP's, senators, provincial governments, city governments) are all representing geographic subsections of the country. And the combination of them is tearing the country apart. We need a strong voice for Canada to balance things.

Canada is a federation; it is intrinsically a collection of anthropological regions, some geo-political, others cultural. Democracy also requires conflict. If you want a voice that doesn't come laden with politics or regionalism--a voice for all Canada (Canadians)--look to the governor general and/or the monarch. But, nobody pays attention to them, since the media wants controversy (political battles) and the politicians want to be front and centre in every photograph and video (opportunism).

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Edited June 18, 2013 by g_bambino

[ReeferMadness]

Canada is a federation; it is intrinsically a collection of anthropological regions, some geo-political, others cultural. Democracy also requires conflict. If you want a voice that doesn't come laden with politics or regionalism--a voice for all Canada (Canadians)--look to the governor general and/or the monarch. But, nobody pays attention to them, since the media wants controversy (political battles) and the politicians want to be front and centre in every photograph and video (opportunism).

[ed.: +]

Unless you still live in the 18th century, there is nothing intrinsic identifying oneself as part of a geographic area. Nor is there anything intrinsic about organizing representation solely around geographic areas. Ridings are just lines on a map and provinces aren't much more than that. Many people are better acquainted with distant friends and relatives than they are with their next door neighbors. Communities are becoming more and more virtual rather than physical.

Politics simply hasn't caught up with technology.

[Bob Macadoo]

Unless you still live in the 18th century, there is nothing intrinsic identifying oneself as part of a geographic area. Nor is there anything intrinsic about organizing representation solely around geographic areas. Ridings are just lines on a map and provinces aren't much more than that. Many people are better acquainted with distant friends and relatives than they are with their next door neighbors. Communities are becoming more and more virtual rather than physical.

Politics simply hasn't caught up with technology.

I actually couldn't disagree more. Canada still is a grouping of distinct regions. Although Cdns have a great deal of mobility, they are still very regionally based. Spend any amount of time in a diverse area (eg. Ft. McMurray) and regional biases and differences will stand out. Technology shares knowledge more easily but cannot easily share ideals and/or values.

[westguy]

I think I have an explanation for Duffy's actions: he thought he was a Liberal appointee

[The_Squid]

I think I have an explanation for Duffy's actions: he thought he was a Liberal appointee

You really have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation but childish trolling.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22685-pmo-paid-for-duffys-fraud/page-11#entry900446

[Moonlight Graham]

The Canadian Senate has to be one of the most corrupt institutions on earth.

The Canadian Senate is corrupt, but it is not even in the same ballpark in terms of corruption compared to the government institutions of more than 100 other countries on earth.

[Moonlight Graham]

I think I have an explanation for Duffy's actions: he thought he was a Liberal appointee

Hahaha I like that.

[jacee]

Poll indicates ongoing Senate scandal may be damaging Conservative brand

The Ipsos Reid poll for CTV News found that 70 per cent of respondents disapprove of Prime Minister Stephen Harpers handling of the affair.

41 per cent said they strongly disapprove,

30 per cent said they somewhat disapprove and

38 per cent of identified Conservatives say they also disapprove.

Of the 30 per cent of Canadians who said they approve of the prime ministers handling of the crisis:

6 per cent said they strongly approve

23 per cent said they somewhat approve.

Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Reid, told CTV News that the problem facing the government is that you cant win with 30 per cent.

And this:

At the midpoint ..

Edited July 15, 2013 by jacee

[cybercoma]

It doesn't matter, jacee. In 2 years, this won't keep the Conservatives that disapprove of him from the polls.

[g_bambino]

The Canadian Senate has to be one of the most corrupt institutions on earth..

That has to be the most hyperbolic statement on earth.

[g_bambino]

I support the NDP, but do not see eye-to-eye with them on the Senate... Should it be eliminated? Only if you want Ontario and Quebec deciding everything. I don't think that's very fair to the rest of the country.

Exactly.

[Topaz]

Apparently, the news is out that the PMO has the e-mail about the $90,000 pay out but hasn't told the RCMP about, they say if RCMP ask for it they will give it. Again, just like the robocall investigation the Tories are NOT operating. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/pmo-withholding-wright-duffy-email-rcmp-report-150036865.html

[g_bambino]

Apparently, the news is out that the PMO has the e-mail about the $90,000 pay out but hasn't told the RCMP about, they say if RCMP ask for it they will give it. Again, just like the robocall investigation the Tories are NOT operating. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/pmo-withholding-wright-duffy-email-rcmp-report-150036865.html

How is saying "if you want it, we'll give it to you" not "operating" [sic], exactly?

[Topaz]

How is saying "if you want it, we'll give it to you" not "operating" [sic], exactly?

The Tories knew that they were suppose turn over all documents to the RCMP and since the RCMP didn't ask for the e-mail alone, they kept it , knowing full well it was part of the information about the 90,000. I know Harper is trying very hard to control this, but the truth needs to come out, even IF he is guilty himself.

[g_bambino]

The Tories knew that they were suppose turn over all documents to the RCMP and since the RCMP didn't ask for the e-mail alone, they kept it.

I don't see anywhere in that article where it states the RCMP asked for "all documents"; only that they "voluntarily disclose" information. Freely giving what's asked for counts as voluntary disclosure and, as the PMO has claimed, the email was not asked for.

I strongly suspect the RCMP is going to say what information is pertinent and/or valuable, not the PMO.