AlienB Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) The PMO is not only paid for Duffy's false expense claims, they told him not to cooperate with the audit! http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mike-duffy-made-secret-deal-with-harper-s-chief-of-staff-during-audit-1.1282015 Duffy showed "great leadership"? Voluntarily paid back? Bold faced lies. And the PMO telling Duffy not to cooperate with an internal audit is very troubling... The PMO is condoning fraud! http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/05/15/pol-duffy-senate-deal.html This shows a serious lack of leadership and/or moral compass from Harper. Condoning and paying for the fraud of his senate appointees shows the culture of entitlement. The RCMP should investigate both the senate expenses, this payment and the lack of cooperation from Duffy, on the say so of the PMO, with the audit. That is defamation, there was no fraud. The RCMP themselves said the rules were unclear. Its not like people making a tax claim they arn't entitled is fraud if they honestly think they are entitled to it. Proving mens rea here is the trick, that is a guilty mind that intentionally tried to defraud the public purse into paying for his house in Ottawa. Now just think how much hosting his wife and himself for 250 days a year would cost if it were a hotel, or the 100 or so or 50 or so or 30 or however many meetings the senate and senate committees that he is part of meet would cost. If you figure $200 a day that is $50,000 right there and that is before the Wallin expenses like car, $14 orange juices and tips come into play. This situation is covered under p113 of the CRA. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/p113/ Just be thankful Ottawa isn't located north of the arctic circle. Reality check he is a senator for PEI, he has to reside there. People can choose their primary residence according to Canadian law. Duffy did nothing wrong, he just was really into his job in Ottawa, obviously. Now this is problematic, did he have his home in PEI "merely for the purpose of gaining or producing income" or did he have his home in Ottawa "merely for the purpose of gaining or producing income". We can take a look and see that he rented a secondary residence in PEI for his Senate work, and when did he buy his home in Ottawa, before or after getting the appointment, and when did he buy his home in PEI before or after the appointment. Tax rules show very clearly that indeed his home in PEI was his primary residence. There is no year round habitation requirement for a primary residence. Some people don't live all year where they live, some are students some are travelling business people. Clearly Duffy's job requires him to spend large amounts of time in Ottawa, and he also had a second office residence on PEI for his off season months for work reasons. $22,000 a year is stilll less than $50,000 a year in hotel expenses and the $1000 one way flights 20 times a year putting those costs up to $70,000 a year vs. duffy's $22,000 my gosh, 22k was probably the cost of flying back and forth alone cause you know MP's always fly executive class right. That is if they don't take million dollar flights like the PM on his private jet. https://www.google.ca/flights/#search;f=YTZ,YYZ;t=YYG;q=toronto+to+charlottetown+flight;d=2013-06-09;r=2013-06-13 Say he had to fly today http://secure.redtag.ca/air/search/search?trip=oneway&origin=Ottawa+Macdonald-Cartier+International+Airport+-+Ottawa%2C+Ontario%2C+Canada+%28YOW%29&destination=Charlottetown+Airport+-+Charlottetown%2C+Prince+Edward+Island%2C+Canada+%28YYG%29&departure=2013-05-26&airline=ALL&fare=f&adults=1&children=0&direct=on&allInPricing=on&Submit.x=24&Submit.y=10&Submit=Search&dep_airport=&arr_airport=&dep_date=&ret_date=&type=Return&airlineList=ALL&air_class=Y&numberOfAdults=1&numberOfChildren=0&segment=Y&flexible=Y wow that is a $2100 flight right there... imagine 10 of those adding up to his cost of his home for a year... that is 5 visits to the senate for the cost of his home in Ottawa.. now who is robbing tax payers? Clearly not Mr. Duffy. Now if the house had a cheapest available seat to destination rule surely there may be savings but under the current hypocracy of buy what you like do what you want, no savings would be realized if Duffy lived at his home 365 days a year except for the annual appearance every year or two he is required. My gosh applaud the man for showing up for business. Perhaps what we should take a closer look at is THE GRAVY TRAIN IN OTTAWA, that is the real problem, not Mr. Duffy doing his job and showing up in Ottawa and being available in PEI. ---- We must realize that with 10's of billions of dollars added onto the more than half trillion dollar debt each year, these percs and bonuses for legislators and their staff is part of the disease that resides in the minds of the government in Ottawa. If they are ever to be well again they are going to need to first look to their own practices. If they are playing the game as fascist is as fascist does and its just a club, they arn't going to get any better. This whole argument is just lets rowdy up the stupid public into thinking some crime is done when in fact a public service has been done. Spreading the big wig virus will help no taxpayer and help no citizen but those in the privileged few who are club members. Now sure business as usual but is this charade really worth the ticket price for the people who have to watch the depravity? If it is why not make back the money with reality TV, they are going to Mars with reality Tv so why not pay your own way by requiring reality TV for the government. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/hrpubs/mg-ldm/2011/pgmo-pldcm06-eng.asp Edited May 24, 2013 by AlienB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Harper vs Harper He is his own biggest critic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Ah well, never mind, maybe the media will start to look into what this Liberal Senator is doing. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/05/28/merchant-senate-vern-white.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Ah well, never mind, maybe the media will start to look into what this Liberal Senator is doing. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/05/28/merchant-senate-vern-white.html your attempts to change the channel are noted... I think I saw it covered on the 5th estate... highlighting that some 400-500 Canadians were a part of the 10K+ names of persons discovered to have off-shore accounts established through the profiled agency brokers. As I understand, very few of those prominent Canadian names have been revealed. Wonder why those names haven't leaked? (certainly... having an off-shore account, principally to avoid taxes, isn't necessarily something one wouldn't want revealed... certainly!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Are we not allowed to post jpegs now? http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBLHgFt4CMAEeGuZ.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I wonder how much severance and payout Mr. Wright will get? I am willing to bet that it will more than cover his $90 bribe gift to Duffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I see that justin has nothing to say about his senator with the off shore bank account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 That is defamation, there was no fraud. There was fraud... Duffy was claiming expenses in Ottawa while he was in PEI... and not on one or two occasions... DOZENS of "incorrect" expense claims. Expense claims for senate business while he was campaigning and being paid by the Conservative Party of Canada. It is the textbook definition of fraud. It was one of two days that month when the PEI senator claimed expenses for work in Ottawa but was not actually in the city, according to a recent analysis by Senate finance staff. The other was Oct. 6, the day of the Ontario election. One of the two October claims was initially approved, though it’s not clear which. Senate officials now say both were false and are part of a pattern of dozens of incorrect expense claims submitted by Mr. Duffy during a recent 18-month period in which he also tried to claim expenses for travel to PEI and per diems in Ottawa at the same time. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/duffy-hosted-cbc-show-in-pei-while-claiming-expenses-in-ottawa-files-show/article12256317/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I see that justin has nothing to say about his senator with the off shore bank account. Your partisan hackery shines through with your lame attempt at distraction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliticalJunkie Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) There is absolutely no reason as to why my previous post warranted removal as the content was more than relevant to the discussion in this thread. Edited May 31, 2013 by PoliticalJunkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Does anyone think Harper might be conspiring to destroy the Senate with his choice of nominations and thatit's hisgrand plan ? He is deviously smart ya know. Ploying with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Folks, If there is anything unclear about the use of images, please refer to the recent discussion called Images. Ch. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Does anyone think Harper might be conspiring to destroy the Senate with his choice of nominations and thatit's hisgrand plan ? He is deviously smart ya know. Ploying with us? Of course. The Senate is supposed to be the Chamber for sober second thought on legislation. Based on the idiotic stuff our parliament puts forward, the Senate is totally necessary. However, to do sober second thought, Senators actually have to read, study, and think about the legislation. Based on the time taken for Duffy's political activities, Wallin's corporate activities, and both of their creative accounting activities.... have either of them actually READ a piece of legislation, let alone give it sober reflection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Your partisan hackery shines through with your lame attempt at distraction...Just like JT saying harv is back in because he made a mistake. But of course the others did not. And how he will fill it with people of goodstanding. What a joke this kid is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Gosh, look at this http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/12/pol-senator-mac-harb-tkachuk-expenses.html?cmp=fbtl Herb Senator Mac Harb owes $231K in expenses - they should go back to the 90s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Gosh, look at this http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/12/pol-senator-mac-harb-tkachuk-expenses.html?cmp=fbtl Herb Senator Mac Harb owes $231K in expenses - they should go back to the 90s... I think you'll find many Senators of both parties did similar stuff. To imply that the PM has to own the actions of a few of his appointed senators is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Gosh, look at this http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/12/pol-senator-mac-harb-tkachuk-expenses.html?cmp=fbtl Herb Senator Mac Harb owes $231K in expenses - they should go back to the 90s... And hwere is the outrage, oh I forgot he is a liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think you'll find many Senators of both parties did similar stuff. To imply that the PM has to own the actions of a few of his appointed senators is ridiculous. It's kind of sad how after all these pages, you missed the whole thing about the PMO paying off Duffy's bogus expenses to keep his mouth shut. Good effort though, for trying to sweep this as "Oh, what's the big deal? Everyone does it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 It's kind of sad how after all these pages, you missed the whole thing about the PMO paying off Duffy's bogus expenses to keep his mouth shut. Good effort though, for trying to sweep this as "Oh, what's the big deal? Everyone does it!" Well the person in question has since been removed from the PMO. Of course if you believe the PM ordered him to do such things that's fine. But you don't have evidence of that do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted June 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Gosh, look at this http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/12/pol-senator-mac-harb-tkachuk-expenses.html?cmp=fbtl Herb Senator Mac Harb owes $231K in expenses - they should go back to the 90s... He should be sharing a jail cell with Duffy, Wallin and Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 And hwere is the outrage, oh I forgot he is a liberal. In case you missed it, there's all kinds of outrage in this thread for fraudulent expenses. You can't understand anything that isn't partisan though, so you think that somehow implies Mac Harb is free from criticism. He's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 The Canadian Senate has to be one of the most corrupt institutions on earth. If anyone can tell me anything the senate has actually done in 25 years I'll be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 The Canadian Senate has to be one of the most corrupt institutions on earth. If anyone can tell me anything the senate has actually done in 25 years I'll be surprised. Look into the Senate committees. They do a lot of good work and have amended a number of bills over the years, as well as conducted investigations and research into things for new bills and policies. They're not entirely useless. They just know their place isn't to completely subvert the democratic representation in the lower house, so they typically don't stonewall the House of Commons. They're there to provide "sober second thought" and regional balance to legislation (which they've done through amendments and committees), not overturn the decisions of the Canadian electorates' representatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I support the NDP, but do not see eye-to-eye with them on the Senate. Does the Senate need fixing? Absolutely. Should it be eliminated? Only if you want Ontario and Quebec deciding everything. I don't think that's very fair to the rest of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I support the NDP, but do not see eye-to-eye with them on the Senate. Does the Senate need fixing? Absolutely. Should it be eliminated? Only if you want Ontario and Quebec deciding everything. I don't think that's very fair to the rest of the country. Doesn't Ontario and Quebec already have almost half of the current number of Senators? The Senate isn't fair as it is currently. Why does Quebec have more Senators British Columbia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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